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Sanguinello
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Posted: Sat 02 Jun, 2012 6:44 pm

Curious about this thread ...
How is the taste and why some have fruits and others not ?
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jm
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Location: Bordeaux, south west France, zone 8b

Posted: Thu 07 Jun, 2012 11:48 am

My one year old graft of prague citsuma (near Bordeaux, SW France).

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Sanguinello
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Posted: Thu 07 Jun, 2012 11:53 am

Great !

You must have green HANDS ! Very Happy

Oh, there are 2 leafes on the left side, who try to be trifoliat .. looks funny ! Very Happy
Maybe it is even a bud sport mutation ...
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Roberto
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Posted: Tue 12 Jun, 2012 7:24 pm

No. Citsuma Prague tends to have bi- and trifoliate leaves. New vigorous growth bears often trifoliate foliage.
/Robert
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Sanguinello
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Posted: Tue 12 Jun, 2012 7:26 pm

Aha !

Still funny to have different leafes on some branches ...
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Esmark78
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Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Zone8

Posted: Wed 13 Jun, 2012 4:37 pm

It is quiet normal, also my thomasville citrangequat has same kind of leaves.
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Sanguinello
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Posted: Wed 13 Jun, 2012 4:38 pm

ok
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Sanguinello
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Posted: Sat 15 Dec, 2012 5:46 pm

Here they are not variegated, are they ... ???
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Sylvain
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Location: Bergerac, France.

Posted: Sat 15 Dec, 2012 9:07 pm

Sanguinello, you don't understand anything. Prague chimeras are not variegated.
Because as I tried several times to explain to you, you need an albinos cells lineage to be part of the chimera to make a variegated plant.
But as you don't want to listen, you will not hear.
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Sanguinello
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Posted: Sat 15 Dec, 2012 9:10 pm

... at least I can read what you wrote :

These photos are all Prague "hybrids".
I have two in ground one turned variegated the other not. One is a graft of the other. They are the same variety.
The variegation is only visible in November and December.
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Sylvain
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Posted: Sat 15 Dec, 2012 9:49 pm

OK
I shall try a last time.
1) Chimeras are made of two different lineages of cells.
2) if both lineages are green the plant is green.
3) if one of the lineage is albinos the plant is variegated.

If my theory is right:
1) Prague plants are chimeras of two green plants (PT and Satsuma).
2) therefore Prague plants are green.
3) at a certain time of the year and in certain conditions the cells of one of the lineages get clearer. (I presume Poncirus).
4) that makes the typical pattern of the variegation appear on the leaves.
5) but this is not variegation because when the conditions return to normal the leaves revert to green.

I think this way it is very easy to understand (we could say "biology for morons" or "idiotproof lecture") but I bet you will not.
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Sanguinello
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Posted: Sat 15 Dec, 2012 9:51 pm

well, sure it is idiot proof to call it one time Variegation and then not ...
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Laaz
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Posted: Sat 15 Dec, 2012 10:17 pm

Sylvain that makes sense. In the fall poncirus changes color and drops it's leaves. If it is a true chimera that would be very interesting.

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