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Ecomtl Citruholic
Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 174 Location: Montréal, Québec, Canada
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Posted: Tue 14 Nov, 2006 3:29 pm |
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Hello everyone
I planted some Yuzu seeds a little while ago. I made sure to label them well, I planted three in their own pots, dead center, and two of the smaller perhaps less viable looking seeds in one pot together, one to each side. Well, one of the Yuzu's I planted alone had began to germinate in paper towel before I even planted it, that one got a special label to look out for. I got one sprout coming out from it, and two days later another sprout right beside it, almost right under it. I KNOW I only put one seed in this pot. I don't understand a thing about what's going on here... _________________ ♣Gen
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Skeeter Moderator
Joined: 23 Jul 2006 Posts: 2218 Location: Pensacola, FL zone 9
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Posted: Tue 14 Nov, 2006 11:47 pm |
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Many of the citrus species are capable of producing polyembryonic seeds.
That means that there may be more than one embryo per seed. The species that can produce polyembryonic seeds are also the ones that will grow true to type from seed (the seeds are clones of the mother plant). However, some of the plants from seeds from polyembryonic varieties may be hybrids (crosses as a result of pollination with another variety).
Many nurseries that grow rootstock from seed will cull any plants that look different from the norm as they are likely the result of pollination and not "true".
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Ecomtl Citruholic
Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 174 Location: Montréal, Québec, Canada
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Posted: Wed 15 Nov, 2006 12:14 am |
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Skeeter, I just did a search on polyembryonic seeds, and well, this is a very good thing I guess!
I'm very happy with this news, thanks!! _________________ ♣Gen
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Wed 15 Nov, 2006 1:01 am |
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Very common with Yuzu seed. You can separate the seedlings when very young and have two trees, or you can just cut one of the seedling out. - Millet |
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5679 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Wed 15 Nov, 2006 11:03 am |
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Yuzu is normally mono, not poly. |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Wed 15 Nov, 2006 1:24 pm |
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Perhaps that particular "Yuzu" was a hybrid? |
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Junglekeeper Citruholic
Joined: 19 Nov 2005 Posts: 290 Location: Vancouver BC Canada
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Posted: Wed 15 Nov, 2006 4:56 pm |
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Laaz wrote: | Yuzu is normally mono, not poly. | That's not what I would come to expect knowing yuzu is used as rootstock. It's important for seed of rootstock varieties to produce a high number of nucellar seedlings so I checked with The Citrus Industry. It states: Quote: | Although Tanaka (1954) indicated a number of his reported species were monoembryonic, it is not always clear whether they are strictly monoembryonic and produce no nucellar embryos. His C. junos Sieb. ex Tan. is indicated to be monoembryonic, yet correctly identified accessions of this species at Riverside produce nucellar seedlings. | _________________ Indoor Grower |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Wed 15 Nov, 2006 5:30 pm |
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With sometimes conlficting results like this, which is very normal in scientific studies anyway, it could only mean that there may be other mechanism influencing expression of polyembryonism, and not only genetics. Perhaps the environment x genetic interaction as well. |
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5679 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Thu 16 Nov, 2006 5:28 am |
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Quote: | His C. junos Sieb. ex Tan. is indicated to be monoembryonic, yet correctly identified accessions of this species at Riverside produce nucellar seedlings |
Yes Yuzu is Mono, but true to type. This is rare in citrus, but I believe Dr. Manners went over this in the past. Sudachi seems to be the same & is a very close relative. |
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Ecomtl Citruholic
Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 174 Location: Montréal, Québec, Canada
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Posted: Thu 16 Nov, 2006 3:35 pm |
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How does one go about separating these guys? If they are originating from the same seed, how easy is it to see two separate root systems and therefore know where to separate them? I've never dealt with polyembryonic seeds before... I am scared to do anything at all really. _________________ ♣Gen
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Skeeter Moderator
Joined: 23 Jul 2006 Posts: 2218 Location: Pensacola, FL zone 9
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Posted: Thu 16 Nov, 2006 9:02 pm |
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I have only separated one that had multiple plants though I have several more. It was relatively easy to untangle the sprouts. I separated it when the biggest plant had just gotten the first real leaves. Roots were only an inch or 2 long and I just carefully teased them apart.
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Junglekeeper Citruholic
Joined: 19 Nov 2005 Posts: 290 Location: Vancouver BC Canada
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Posted: Thu 16 Nov, 2006 10:25 pm |
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Laaz wrote: | Yes Yuzu is Mono, but true to type. This is rare in citrus, but I believe Dr. Manners went over this in the past. | Interesting. I'll have to do some research on this. Could someone provide a link to Dr. Manners' findings? _________________ Indoor Grower |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Thu 23 Nov, 2006 2:33 pm |
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The Yuzu seed that Ecomtl is talking about actually came from Laaz's Yuzu tree. I received several Yuzu fruits from Laaz, and removed approximately 26 seeds. When I sent Ecomtl some STEM I enclosed five Yuzu seeds for her to plant. Of the Yuzu seeds that I kept and planted, 15 germinated, and of these 15 germinated seedlings three were polyembryonic, giving me more than one plant per seed. - Millet |
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Ecomtl Citruholic
Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 174 Location: Montréal, Québec, Canada
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Posted: Thu 23 Nov, 2006 4:16 pm |
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Well, it's a pretty standard ratio then Millet. You have 3 out of 15, I have 1 out of 5. Bang on.
They are growing so fast, I am fascinated. _________________ ♣Gen
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Junglekeeper Citruholic
Joined: 19 Nov 2005 Posts: 290 Location: Vancouver BC Canada
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Posted: Thu 23 Nov, 2006 10:02 pm |
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Thanks for sharing your results, Millet and Ecomtl. So it seems yuzu is polyembryonic but only to a low degree - around 20%. There's very little information on this matter on the web. _________________ Indoor Grower |
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