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railakis
Joined: 25 Apr 2012 Posts: 5 Location: Crete,Greece
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5653 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Mon 11 Jun, 2012 7:55 pm |
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Neither. If you cut the bud correctly & make a inverted T the bud will slide in very easy. Have a look here.
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railakis
Joined: 25 Apr 2012 Posts: 5 Location: Crete,Greece
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Posted: Mon 11 Jun, 2012 8:09 pm |
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Thank you for your immediate reply. I see while cutting your bud ,that you cut off a bit of bark wood and you do not peel off the bud in a shield shape as advocated by others. Top of my illustration photo shows a peeled bud |
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5653 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Mon 11 Jun, 2012 8:54 pm |
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No, you do not need to remove the bark. Actually I would say the bark helps keep the bud moist. _________________ Wal-Mart a great place to buy cheap plastic crap ! http://walmartwatch.com/ ...
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GT Citruholic
Joined: 11 Jul 2010 Posts: 394 Location: Beaumont, TX (zone 9a)
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Posted: Tue 12 Jun, 2012 1:22 am |
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Laaz,
what would you say is wrong with the second bud in the original post? Although a picture is blurry...
Thanks! Still learning. |
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railakis
Joined: 25 Apr 2012 Posts: 5 Location: Crete,Greece
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Posted: Tue 12 Jun, 2012 11:07 am |
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In my constant quest for self improvement and since I am a novice in citrus grafting I have been asking here , other older and more exrerienced grafters of their way of t-budding.Others peel the bud in a shield shape and others cut it off. I personally tried the peeled bud way with mixed success. Other buds rotted, others took but never sprouted( blind buds?), another took and sprouted vigorously but suddenly dried out in a week and others were overall succesful . In all cases same protocol was followed, bark was lifting nicely , scion wood was from nice green ,pencil thick, 1 year shoots.
To carry the conversation further, an older grafter advised me that if I peel the bud and underneath the barkwood is thorny, I should discard that bud( indeed, it slips out perforated) and peel out a new one.
Looking through the various posts in this forum I see only cut off buds with barkwood. Please share your views on this so I can clarify this subject. Thank you .in advance for any more replies. |
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5653 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Tue 12 Jun, 2012 11:16 am |
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GT wrote: | Laaz,
what would you say is wrong with the second bud in the original post? Although a picture is blurry...
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Look at how wide the cut bud is. It would be near impossible to slide it into the inverted T.
railakis I think you are cutting into the budstick too deeply when cutting your buds. Also the first 3-4 buds front where that flush started are blind buds. _________________ Wal-Mart a great place to buy cheap plastic crap ! http://walmartwatch.com/ ...
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GT Citruholic
Joined: 11 Jul 2010 Posts: 394 Location: Beaumont, TX (zone 9a)
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Posted: Wed 13 Jun, 2012 12:59 am |
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Laaz,
thank you! I see it now - you are absolutely right, it is wide.
railakis, I'm just a beginner... but speaking with several very experienced grafters, none of them mentioned that "no bark" method you use. I was under the impression that bark is essential since cambium (I hope I use the right words) layers must be aligned and sort-of grow into each other. Am I totally wrong? But again, my opinion is no expert's one by all means. Let's wait for grafting gurus.
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Sylvain Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2007 Posts: 790 Location: Bergerac, France.
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Posted: Wed 13 Jun, 2012 3:14 am |
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He is not speaking of "no bark" but of "no wood".
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railakis
Joined: 25 Apr 2012 Posts: 5 Location: Crete,Greece
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Posted: Wed 13 Jun, 2012 1:27 pm |
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Correct, no wood. The budstick has to be a green, pencil thick , yearly shoot and budded onto a similar thickness yearly ,rootstock shoot.
This is mainly practiced by farmers here that want to change the variety of an old citrus tree. They would cut the tree completely , a meter or so from ground level,during mid March, then if the rootstock is vigorous , they will graft the new shoots in 3-5 months.
I asked many and no one practices bark grafting on citrus trees then again no one knows of parafilm ,etc. |
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