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T- bud question: Bud with wood or without? pls look at photo

 
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railakis



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Posted: Mon 11 Jun, 2012 7:48 pm

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/233/006hou.jpg/

Pls look at the photo. Which of the buds in your opinion takes easier? With wood or without?
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Laaz
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Posted: Mon 11 Jun, 2012 7:55 pm

Neither. If you cut the bud correctly & make a inverted T the bud will slide in very easy. Have a look here.

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railakis



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Posted: Mon 11 Jun, 2012 8:09 pm

Thank you for your immediate reply. I see while cutting your bud ,that you cut off a bit of bark wood and you do not peel off the bud in a shield shape as advocated by others. Top of my illustration photo shows a peeled bud
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Posted: Mon 11 Jun, 2012 8:54 pm

No, you do not need to remove the bark. Actually I would say the bark helps keep the bud moist.

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Posted: Tue 12 Jun, 2012 1:22 am

Laaz,

what would you say is wrong with the second bud in the original post? Although a picture is blurry...

Thanks! Still learning. Embarassed
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railakis



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Posted: Tue 12 Jun, 2012 11:07 am

In my constant quest for self improvement and since I am a novice in citrus grafting I have been asking here , other older and more exrerienced grafters of their way of t-budding.Others peel the bud in a shield shape and others cut it off. I personally tried the peeled bud way with mixed success. Other buds rotted, others took but never sprouted( blind buds?), another took and sprouted vigorously but suddenly dried out in a week and others were overall succesful . In all cases same protocol was followed, bark was lifting nicely , scion wood was from nice green ,pencil thick, 1 year shoots.
To carry the conversation further, an older grafter advised me that if I peel the bud and underneath the barkwood is thorny, I should discard that bud( indeed, it slips out perforated) and peel out a new one.
Looking through the various posts in this forum I see only cut off buds with barkwood. Please share your views on this so I can clarify this subject. Thank you .in advance for any more replies.
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Laaz
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Posted: Tue 12 Jun, 2012 11:16 am

GT wrote:
Laaz,

what would you say is wrong with the second bud in the original post? Although a picture is blurry...

Thanks! Still learning. Embarassed


Look at how wide the cut bud is. It would be near impossible to slide it into the inverted T.

railakis I think you are cutting into the budstick too deeply when cutting your buds. Also the first 3-4 buds front where that flush started are blind buds.

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Posted: Wed 13 Jun, 2012 12:59 am

Laaz,

thank you! I see it now - you are absolutely right, it is wide.

railakis, I'm just a beginner... but speaking with several very experienced grafters, none of them mentioned that "no bark" method you use. I was under the impression that bark is essential since cambium (I hope I use the right words) layers must be aligned and sort-of grow into each other. Am I totally wrong? But again, my opinion is no expert's one by all means. Let's wait for grafting gurus.

Good luck!
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Sylvain
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Posted: Wed 13 Jun, 2012 3:14 am

He is not speaking of "no bark" but of "no wood".
(I presume)
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railakis



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Posted: Wed 13 Jun, 2012 1:27 pm

Correct, no wood. The budstick has to be a green, pencil thick , yearly shoot and budded onto a similar thickness yearly ,rootstock shoot.

This is mainly practiced by farmers here that want to change the variety of an old citrus tree. They would cut the tree completely , a meter or so from ground level,during mid March, then if the rootstock is vigorous , they will graft the new shoots in 3-5 months.
I asked many and no one practices bark grafting on citrus trees then again no one knows of parafilm ,etc.
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