Citrus Growers Forum

Ned · Posted: Fri 09 Mar, 2012 7:48 pm

Here is a link to the current USDA requirements.

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/plant_health/plant_pest_info/citrus/downloads/interstate-mvmnet-protocol.pdf

Laaz · Posted: Tue 13 Mar, 2012 7:34 pm

Thanks Ned.

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Millet · Posted: Tue 13 Mar, 2012 11:55 pm

The APHIS rules are staggering, but certainly necessary. A citrus nursery supplier would have to move a lot of product to generate enough profit, to make compliance worth while. - Millet (313 BO-)

Ned · Posted: Sun 18 Mar, 2012 9:43 am

From what I know now, only a few of the larger nurseries plan to comply.

Millet · Posted: Sun 18 Mar, 2012 12:45 pm

I talked to Bright Leaf Nursery in Florida, they told me they are not certified to ship citrus trees out of Florida. Bright Leaf told me that Harris Nursery was now certified by the USDA to ship their trees out of state. I was not really looking to purchase any more trees, I was just looking for information. I did go to Harris's web site, but they really don't offer all that much, nothing I would be interested in. Although Bright Leaf nursery said that Harris is now certified to ship nationally, Harris's web site says that at this time they are not allowed to do so by the USDA.. - Millet (308 BO-)

Darkman · Posted: Sun 18 Mar, 2012 1:37 pm

Millet wrote:

I talked to Bright Leaf Nursery in Florida, they told me they are not certified to ship citrus trees out of Florida. Bright Leaf told me that Harris Nursery was now certified by the USDA to ship their trees out of state. I was not really looking to purchase any more trees, I was just looking for information. I did go to Harris's web site, but they really don't offer all that much, nothing I would be interested in. Although Bright Leaf nursery said that Harris is now certified to ship nationally, Harris's web site says that at this time they are not allowed to do so by the USDA.. - Millet (308 BO-)

Millet,

Maybe it has something to do with the rumor you heard?

Harris has the Sugar Belle that a lot of us was drooling over however there is a contract that you have to sign with the plant rights owner (not Harris Citrus) that I have pretty much decided not to do. It was 17 pages long and gave exclusive rights to the owner plus you never truely own this tree. You are always controlled by them. Fifteen years from now they have a newer better product they can cancel the contract and demand you destroy the tree, no kidding!

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GT · Posted: Mon 19 Mar, 2012 1:18 am

Darkman wrote:

Harris has the Sugar Belle that a lot of us was drooling over however there is a contract that you have to sign with the plant rights owner (not Harris Citrus) that I have pretty much decided not to do. It was 17 pages long and gave exclusive rights to the owner plus you never truely own this tree. You are always controlled by them. Fifteen years from now they have a newer better product they can cancel the contract and demand you destroy the tree, no kidding!

This makes me wondering... what if someone from the sate where grafting is not controlled by the officials buys this plant and... takes a bud from it to graft on another plant and grows the new plant for himself calling it "uncle Bob's mandarin". How in the world, the right owner would know/proof this? Do they have a right to spy on customers? Shocked

Darkman · Posted: Tue 20 Mar, 2012 12:59 am

GT wrote:

... takes a bud from it to graft on another plant and grows the new plant for himself calling it "uncle Bob's mandarin". How in the world, the right owner would know/proof this?

DNA!

GT wrote:

... Do they have a right to spy on customers? Shocked

Yes!

If you purchase/lease the "Sugar Belle" tree you will sign the seventeen page contract which gives them the right to enter your property (with 24 hour notice) and inspect your plantings. You must provide the location and citrus tree count as part of the agreement. You may not sell or give away any fruit unless it is labeled with their labeling and if shipped it must be packaged by an approved packing plant which is anaother seventeen page contract. Smile

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GT · Posted: Wed 21 Mar, 2012 1:22 am

Well, I like your state very much... but sometimes I'm also glad I do not live there, sorry! Smile

Darkman · Posted: Wed 21 Mar, 2012 2:17 pm

GT wrote:

Well, I like your state very much... but sometimes I'm also glad I do not live there, sorry! Smile

GT,

If your comments were related to the immediate previous post then I must tell you that the State of Florida has nothing to do with that and that the contract is probably standard for any high value ornamental, fruit or vegetable plant that is patented!

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GT · Posted: Fri 23 Mar, 2012 2:07 am

Darkman,

perhaps you are right and the 17-page contract you were talking about has nothing to do with the state Florida. Couple years ago, we bought "garden delight apprium" that was "copyrighted" at that time. The plant came with a one-page brochure informing that it was illegal to propagate that plant and violations may be prosecuted. No inspection or other actions were mentioned. Confused

Perhaps, the Sugar Belles are much more valuable to justify the restrictions.

Also, I never meant to offend anyone living in Florida. It's a great state and I hope to move there upon retirement. Very Happy

Darkman · Posted: Fri 23 Mar, 2012 7:28 pm

GT wrote:

Perhaps, the Sugar Belles are much more valuable to justify the restrictions.

If it is a great as they believe it is then I suspect the value of the FL crop is well into the tens of millions. I may be wrong and I am not knowledgeable on that type of crop value it's just my guess!

GT wrote:

Also, I never meant to offend anyone living in Florida. It's a great state and I hope to move there upon retirement. Very Happy

You want to talk about melting pots, well Florida is the ultimate pot. I think you can find someone from everywhere here. I'm not offended not in the slightest bit. I'll be glad to have you here and if your family has an interest in plants you can bring them too! Laughing

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Millet · Posted: Tue 27 Mar, 2012 10:16 pm

Here is the link to all of Florida's regulations. . - Millet (299 BO-)

https://www.fritolayag.com/public/HLB/Wayne_N_Dixon.pdf

Darkman · Posted: Tue 27 Mar, 2012 11:58 pm

Some interesting reading although itis a bit long! Smile

I recently read that seeds can not spread Canker or Greening so why are they prohibited?

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Ned · Posted: Wed 28 Mar, 2012 10:53 pm

It is my understanding that HLB and something called citrus variegated chlorosis disease can be spread by seed.

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/plant_health/plant_pest_info/citrus_greening/downloads/pdf_files/spro/federalorder10-6-09.pdf