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Newbe



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Posted: Sun 29 Sep, 2013 6:20 am

Found a quote in a Swedish newspaper about citrus and I would be surprised if it was true. (Sweden is of natural reasons not the top citrus growing country). It said that:

"You should not eat citrus from trees bought in flower/garden shops but only use them as ornamental trees. The reason was said to be the use of long term active anti-fungus pesticides that was not good for your health."

Most of the Swedish citrus trees sold are grown in green houses in Denmark, Netherlands or Germany I would think, if not imported from Portugal, Spain or Italy.

Have anyone heard of such treatment and for how long could the pesticide stay in the tree/fruits?
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Posted: Sun 29 Sep, 2013 12:14 pm

The newspaper article has an ounce of truth and a pound of error. Commercial citrus fruit is coated with a funguscide plus a wax coating, This is done to protect the fruit's freshness. This coating is only on the rind of the fruit which is, of course, peeled and thrown away. Billions and billions and even more billions of people have been eating this frulit without any harm for a long tme. Some people have even eaten the rind with out any harm. Small citrus trees sold through nurseries, garden centers or greenhouses are NOT coated with a fungicide nor the wax. There is NO danger in any case. - Millet
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Newbe



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Posted: Sun 29 Sep, 2013 12:45 pm

Thanks Millet!
it did sound strange.
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ilyaC
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Posted: Sun 29 Sep, 2013 1:59 pm

Millet wrote:
The newspaper article has an ounce of truth and a pound of error. Commercial citrus fruit is coated with a funguscide plus a wax coating, This is done to protect the fruit's freshness. This coating is only on the rind of the fruit which is, of course, peeled and thrown away. Billions and billions and even more billions of people have been eating this frulit without any harm for a long tme. Some people have even eaten the rind with out any harm. Small citrus trees sold through nurseries, garden centers or greenhouses are NOT coated with a fungicide nor the wax. There is NO danger in any case. - Millet

I think Newbe is talking about the use of systemic fungicides in imported decorative citrus plants and the danger to eat the fruits from them, not the danger of eating fungicide covered fruits in the supermarkets.
Different chemicals are being used.

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Posted: Sun 29 Sep, 2013 6:40 pm

Agree, sounds like it means systemic fungicides and pesticides used in the production of ornamental trees at flower shops etc, any fruit on your new tree will also contain the chemical.
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Posted: Sun 29 Sep, 2013 7:59 pm

Garden centers is a common seller of regular citrus trees. At least here in the USA. I purchased many of my trees at garden centers. - Millet
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Newbe



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Posted: Mon 30 Sep, 2013 6:10 pm

Yes,
systemic fungicides in imported decorative citrus plants,
sorry if I did a poor job in explaining.

How long could these stay in the trees and the new fruits.
(I have replanted all in new soil after buying the plants)
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Posted: Mon 30 Sep, 2013 6:56 pm

I do not know about fungicides but noticed an abberrant growth/flowering habits in the potted Dutch citruses. For me it lasted about one year. Probably some retardants were being used.

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pagnr
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Posted: Mon 30 Sep, 2013 7:22 pm

It may have something to do with ornamental plants not being food for human consumption, where there are controls on maximum residue levels, witholding periods before treated produce can be harvested, or even allowable chemicals in the different production systems.
Maybe plant nurseries dont have the same controls as food producers, so ornamental fruit plants not required to meet the same standard.

How long do the chemicals last ? Would vary according to the chemical, and the period of effective control after application, plus a bit more as they fade away.
Natural Pyrethum gives days to a week control of leaf miner, systemic insecticide can give several weeks at least.

Is this such a big issue, compared to other chemicals in food, or post harvest treatments for exported fruit ?, or even some common household chemicals or DIY projects using heavy duty cleaners ?
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Newbe



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Posted: Tue 01 Oct, 2013 9:29 am

Found this thread on the subject,
seems to agree with the comments here,
many thanks for the help!

http://www.growfruitandveg.co.uk/grapevine/feeling-fruity/aldi-lemon-tree-says-not-consumption-true_55359.html
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Posted: Tue 01 Oct, 2013 5:25 pm

ilyaC wrote:
Millet wrote:
The newspaper article has an ounce of truth and a pound of error. Commercial citrus fruit is coated with a funguscide plus a wax coating, This is done to protect the fruit's freshness. This coating is only on the rind of the fruit which is, of course, peeled and thrown away. Billions and billions and even more billions of people have been eating this frulit without any harm for a long tme. Some people have even eaten the rind with out any harm. Small citrus trees sold through nurseries, garden centers or greenhouses are NOT coated with a fungicide nor the wax. There is NO danger in any case. - Millet

I think Newbe is talking about the use of systemic fungicides in imported decorative citrus plants and the danger to eat the fruits from them, not the danger of eating fungicide covered fruits in the supermarkets.
Different chemicals are being used.


The thing is, 99% of the citrus trees being sold in small nurseries/garden centers/etc, are coming from the same production nurseries as what is being sold to the citrus industry.

I'd be really surprised if these bulk commercial industries are going to the expense and trouble of spraying their Home Depot trees with something they don't have to.
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Posted: Tue 01 Oct, 2013 6:43 pm

My two cents worth. These days a farmer is guilty until proven innocent. There are some dangerous things that get imported into the US but most of the bad stuff gets caught. Dangerous fish and shrimp full of illegal chemicals from over seas comes to mind. Many years ago a complete idiot used Temik on some watermelons. He never got caught but Temik had no value as a pesticide in melons that I know of. It wasn't labeled for melons either. It was a very dangerous chemical and it was abused by an idiot. I read that some other idiots used it as roach poison and as a rat poison in their homes. They got sick and some of them died. It is very deadly stuff. Now nobody can use it. I think it is completely off the market. Probably a good thing too. We need some safeguards against idiots. They seem to be everywhere. Tom

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ilyaC
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Posted: Tue 01 Oct, 2013 7:19 pm

Synovia wrote:

The thing is, 99% of the citrus trees being sold in small nurseries/garden centers/etc, are coming from the same production nurseries as what is being sold to the citrus industry.

I'd be really surprised if these bulk commercial industries are going to the expense and trouble of spraying their Home Depot trees with something they don't have to.

The situation is different in Europe, specially in its Northern part dominated by the use of potted citruses as purely decorative plants.

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Posted: Wed 02 Oct, 2013 2:46 pm

I use a systemic fungicide by the name of Banrot 40WP on my newer trees that I know that I will not be harvesting fruit from for quite some time as a precaution against rootrot that would result from improper culture during the time it spent with the vendor that I bought it from.. I understand that this product is commonly used on ornamentals in a greenhouse environment to control the control of damping-off, root
and stem rot diseases caused by Pythium, Phytophthora, Rhizoctonia,
Fusarium, and Thielaviopsis.. The active ingredients in Banrot 40WP are Etridiazole and Thiophanate-methyl. It is soil applied. The product label notes a 2yr period between application and harvest for bearing citrus.

If you're concerned that some of your potted citrus has been treated with such a product prior to your ownership and wanted to stay on the safe side, I'd consider a 2 year grace period between the time you take possession of the tree and ingesting the fruit from it. This actually works out well given the recommendation to strip young trees of fruit for the 1st couple of years to encourage canopy and root development.

Product label here: http://everris.us.com/sites/default/files/h4801_banrot_40wp_specimen_label_120312.pdf

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Radoslav
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Posted: Thu 03 Oct, 2013 3:21 am

ilyaC wrote:
Synovia wrote:

The thing is, 99% of the citrus trees being sold in small nurseries/garden centers/etc, are coming from the same production nurseries as what is being sold to the citrus industry.

I'd be really surprised if these bulk commercial industries are going to the expense and trouble of spraying their Home Depot trees with something they don't have to.

The situation is different in Europe, specially in its Northern part dominated by the use of potted citruses as purely decorative plants.


As far as I know, the main producer of citrus trees for sale in "hyper-supermarkets" like Baumax in Slovakia, is this company from Sicily.: http://www.siciliaverde.it/prodotti-en/citru_limon,49.html
And I have to say, that my only problems with fungus on citrus plants were with those plants (I bought 2 plants from that nursery - both showed symptoms of root rot after some time.)

And about food safety Smile - Once I saw a list of herbicides, fertilizers, fungicides etc. used at the papaya plantation per year - 2 pages full of chemicals - I was realy on verge to stop eat imported tropical fruits, after that. Smile And year ago, I saw TV documentary about banana plantations, or better say about meadows, where previously were banana plantations (I think it was somewhere on Mauritius island), after end of banana production, local farmers bought these plots of land to feed their cows, but government forbade to use the grass from that fields, because of high contamination.
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