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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Tue 27 Feb, 2007 7:42 pm |
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Vice President Al Gore "Talks The Talk," concerning human caused global warming but seems not to "Walk The Walk" according to research by the think tank Tennessee Center for Policy Research.
The think tank report cited figures from the Nashville Electric Service Company that showed Al Gore burned through 22,619 kilowatt-hours of electricity at his house in one month (August), a rate that is twice the level used by an average U.S. household in an ENTIRE YEAR
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Knepper3
Joined: 16 Aug 2006 Posts: 7 Location: Oviedo Florida
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Posted: Wed 28 Feb, 2007 4:53 pm |
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I love that. Typical. I'm going to look for that to read myself,thanks |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Wed 28 Feb, 2007 6:04 pm |
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I am not defending Al Gore, but sometimes the media hype and the extremists will hide very important truths and show only very few facts for you to arrive at the wrong conclusions. This is a practice done by various people who want to discredit other people, especially the media.
For one thing, what were the previous electric bills of Al Gore? Was there declining or increasing trend?
Then are there more people and party in the mansion, which means that is there a declining or increasing trend per unit person usage in that mansion when you include hosting parties, dignitaries and other visitors. And how was the weather? Did it get colder or warmer during those trends? We have to normalize the trend too with the extraneous variables. Then and only then can we conclude if Al Gore exercised some efforts in saving electricity after accounting for the other variables.
They did not present this, but a single sampling point that the consumption is 22,000 kilowatt hours in an attempt to mislead everyone to jump into conclusion that Al Gore is a hypocrite.
We have to look at the big picture, not the single point sampling in time then discredit someone because of that single point sampling.
Just some good words to live better. |
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Skeeter Moderator
Joined: 23 Jul 2006 Posts: 2218 Location: Pensacola, FL zone 9
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Posted: Wed 28 Feb, 2007 6:11 pm |
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The fact from the story I saw on CNN that is being left out of all this is that it is all the power he uses is Green Power-- from wind and solar power sources. It cost more, but at least he is putting his money where his mouth is-- which means he is not a hypocrite--but he is rich. _________________ Skeet
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Wed 28 Feb, 2007 6:12 pm |
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Joe, He used TWICE the amount of energy in a month than an average American does in AN ENTIRE FULL YEAR. However, I sure, as always, Mr. Gore will have an excuse.
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Wed 28 Feb, 2007 6:19 pm |
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Skeet, not true, - not green power at all. This was his bill for REAL electrictiy form the local power company, no way was it from Mr. Gore's windmill or any other "green" source.
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karpes Citruholic
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 379 Location: South Louisiana
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Posted: Wed 28 Feb, 2007 6:31 pm |
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Millet
He has addressed this issue by buying carbon credits. I do believe that he plants a tree for every private jet flight that he takes. You have a green house full of carbon credits that you could use.
Dont you think that it is ironic that the temperature of Mars has risen and matched the temperature rise on earth? Didnt hear that from Mr. Gore did we?
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Wed 28 Feb, 2007 6:50 pm |
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The way Green Electricity works out here (don't know if the same as Al Gore's case) is that there is no way for a particular electric power plant, ie, biomass fuel plant, to have a direct connection to a particular home in order to be literally green power. So what the utilities do, they connect it to various points in the grid, and many household will tap to the grid or whatever your nearest actual power plant distribution points are, but then by virtue of choice, you pay at the rate proportional to the cost of buying from these Green power plants. So you will not exactly get the particular electrons generated, most are tallied demands. If there are demands for green electricity, they are allocated likewise to the participating generating plants and gets paid for the rate agreed upon for green power.
Biomass powered electric generating plants are more expensive than coal, and so are the solar plants down in the southern Ca. Vallejo for example have very low cost of electricity generation from wind power. But when they sell it to the grid, they will get the agreed upon rates. If many people choose green power, then those electric consumption will be allocated or exchanged according to the rates agreed upon, and so these utilities will be supported much more, beyong their baseline.
The regulations are far too complex. I only write Life Cycle Analysis models on the performances of various biomass-fueled plants and their costs of producing electricity. Once they dump the product to the grid, it will have a price, and that's about it for me. |
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Skeeter Moderator
Joined: 23 Jul 2006 Posts: 2218 Location: Pensacola, FL zone 9
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Posted: Wed 28 Feb, 2007 7:03 pm |
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Joe, That is what I understood from the piece that I saw on CNN. Do you have any idea of the price difference for Green Power? _________________ Skeet
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Patty_in_wisc Citrus Angel
Joined: 15 Nov 2005 Posts: 1842 Location: zone 5 Milwaukee, Wi
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Posted: Wed 28 Feb, 2007 8:35 pm |
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Driving north through farmland here, I notice a lot more windmills. Some ppl buy & install them for their own private use. The electric co. buys back what they don't use. In other words, the electric co pays them ... wouldn't THAT be nice! I also read that many neighbors don't like them because they are very noisy. _________________ Patty
I drink wine to make other people more interesting
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Wed 28 Feb, 2007 9:14 pm |
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Skeeter wrote: | Joe, That is what I understood from the piece that I saw on CNN. Do you have any idea of the price difference for Green Power? |
Last time I checked it was about $0.01 to $0.04 more or premium on top per kW hr for green sources compared to traditional utility prices. Prices may have changed. But checked this site:
http://www.eere.energy.gov/greenpower/buying/buying_power.shtml?state=CA&print |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Wed 28 Feb, 2007 9:45 pm |
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Come on!!!!!!! In my opinion, If Mr. Gore, self proclaimed inventor of the Internet, is walking the walk on being a good global warming citizen than I'm Santa Claus. All these private windmills selling power back to the power companies is rip off of the general public.
Millet
This post was written using Green Power |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Wed 28 Feb, 2007 10:40 pm |
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The part that Mr. Gore is the inventor of the internet is really something to laugh about.
I partially agree that Al Gore will have to do more to really walk the walk. It will be more credible. And then only if reports are complete to paint the big picture of the efforts.
I like to look at the bigger pics, that the message about global climatic change is being spread. Representative scientists from all nations have now agreed about the phenomenon, even if their governments don't, and it has only very little to do with Al Gore. |
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Cactusrequiem Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 229 Location: North Charleston, SC
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Posted: Wed 28 Feb, 2007 11:17 pm |
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I wasn't going to get in on this, but I just HAD to put my two cents in!
Al Gore is buying extra "Carbon Footprints" from other people who are not using them...fine and dandy. He is filthy rich and can afford stuff like that.
What he is saying is that every other Joe Shmo needs to cut back on their energy usage. He is too important to cut back, so he has to buy his way out.
If he REALLY wants to show he is eco friendly, he needs to cut back on more than just lightbulbs. Maybe he should make his home a little more like George Bush's Crawford Home...see link below
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming022807.htm
You hear all abot Al Gore's "wonderfull" movie An Inconvient Truth, but you NEVER hear what the President is doing. His house sounds really Eco friendly to me!! Al Gore can fly around in his private jet causing all kinds of Carbon emmissions,Then has the guts to tell ME to use public transportation!!
I get tired of all these "high and mighty" public figures whose mottos are do as I say not as I do. I CAN'T STAND DOUBLE STANDARDS!!!!!!
Sorry, Politics and Stupidity really set me off....Thanks for letting me vent.
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Wed 28 Feb, 2007 11:34 pm |
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Same here, ALL Politicians should really walk the talk.
In this forum, I Talk the Walk. Mostly of what I experienced, I share. You may not get the same mileage, even contrary, and that's when I discuss... my opinions or speculations and remember them as notes, something to think about when issues come up in the real walk, that's why we don't see much fighting around here. |
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