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gdbanks Citruholic

Joined: 08 May 2008 Posts: 251 Location: Jersey Village, TX
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Posted: Thu 09 Dec, 2010 4:45 am |
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well almost three years ago i gave my sister a Meyer lemon. i placed it in a large pot, but expected she would eventually plant it into the ground. that has not happened and i am now thinking it is not going to happen anytime soon. so i figure i need to do some root pruning.
i know they say to re-pot every year and gradually go up in size but she's not going to do that, and i got the large pot before i knew any better. but it has been doing good so i am just going to add same fresh soil, perlite and vermiculite.
it seems like pumice would be a good thing to add but i do not have any.
i am interested to see how the roots have grown. did they fell the whole pot or is the bottom part of the soil a dead zone. depending on what i see i may have to change current plan.
i figure now is a good time to re-pot during a not growth and low heat time of year. _________________ looking for cold hardy citrus
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Ivannn Citruholic

Joined: 14 May 2009 Posts: 176 Location: Bologna, Italy
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Posted: Sat 11 Dec, 2010 11:14 am |
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The best period for repotting is when the plant is in its full vegetative stage (when temperature are constantly over 13°C). |
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Darkman Citruholic

Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 968 Location: Pensacola Florida South of I-10 Zone 8b/9a
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Posted: Sun 12 Dec, 2010 2:05 am |
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Ivannn wrote: | The best period for repotting is when the plant is in its full vegetative stage (when temperature are constantly over 13°C). |
Why? If you did it now the tree would have time for the roots to start back up before the top buds out? _________________ Charles in Pensacola
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Millet Citruholic


Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sun 12 Dec, 2010 2:17 am |
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There probably is an optimum time to repot a tree. However, I have probably repotted trees in every month of the year. I think the most important thing is how carefully, and correctly a tree is repotted, rather then when the tree is repotted. - Millet (764-) |
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Mark_T Citruholic


Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 757 Location: Gilbert,AZ
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Posted: Sun 12 Dec, 2010 5:08 am |
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Millet wrote: | There probably is an optimum time to repot a tree. However, I have probably repotted trees in every month of the year. I think the most important thing is how carefully, and correctly a tree is repotted, rather then when the tree is repotted. - Millet (764-) |
I was very harsh on a few trees during my massive re-pot this summer and it showed. I let the number I was working on effect my pace. |
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gdbanks Citruholic

Joined: 08 May 2008 Posts: 251 Location: Jersey Village, TX
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Posted: Mon 13 Dec, 2010 1:34 am |
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i think it went well. i was surprised that there were not more roots, especially deeper in the container. guess when it is propagated from cuttings there are no tap roots. probably did not really need to do anything. the base of the tree was in the same orientation from the nursery pot, but i have been wanting to upright it, so i did. it is about 35 degree change. with that big of a change one side of the pot shows a lot more roots on the surface _________________ looking for cold hardy citrus
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Darkman Citruholic

Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 968 Location: Pensacola Florida South of I-10 Zone 8b/9a
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Posted: Mon 13 Dec, 2010 1:59 am |
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gdbanks wrote: | i think it went well. i was surprised that there were not more roots, especially deeper in the container. guess when it is propagated from cuttings there are no tap roots. probably did not really need to do anything. the base of the tree was in the same orientation from the nursery pot, but i have been wanting to upright it, so i did. it is about 35 degree change. with that big of a change one side of the pot shows a lot more roots on the surface |
Wow! I never considered that a cutting would not develope a true root system. Is that the case? _________________ Charles in Pensacola
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Evaldas Citruholic

Joined: 30 Jan 2010 Posts: 303 Location: Vilnius, Lithuania, Zone 5
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Posted: Mon 13 Dec, 2010 9:14 am |
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Darkman wrote: | gdbanks wrote: | i think it went well. i was surprised that there were not more roots, especially deeper in the container. guess when it is propagated from cuttings there are no tap roots. probably did not really need to do anything. the base of the tree was in the same orientation from the nursery pot, but i have been wanting to upright it, so i did. it is about 35 degree change. with that big of a change one side of the pot shows a lot more roots on the surface |
Wow! I never considered that a cutting would not develope a true root system. Is that the case? |
That's why they don't grow in big fields for fruit production trees from cuttings. Instead they grow grafted, because cuttings have smaller root systems, so therefore rooted trees are less resistant to strong winds. |
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Ivannn Citruholic

Joined: 14 May 2009 Posts: 176 Location: Bologna, Italy
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Posted: Tue 14 Dec, 2010 6:31 pm |
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Darkman wrote: | Ivannn wrote: | The best period for repotting is when the plant is in its full vegetative stage (when temperature are constantly over 13°C). |
Why? If you did it now the tree would have time for the roots to start back up before the top buds out? |
I think the main reason is that when in its full vegetative stage, the tree can easily heal cuts to the root system thus minimize the possibility for pathogenes to infect the tree |
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Millet Citruholic


Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Tue 14 Dec, 2010 7:16 pm |
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I don't see any connection with a citrus tree being in full vegetative stage, and healing of root cuts. Perhaps I'm missing something. - Millet (762-) |
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Ivannn Citruholic

Joined: 14 May 2009 Posts: 176 Location: Bologna, Italy
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Posted: Tue 14 Dec, 2010 7:46 pm |
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Millet wrote: | I don't see any connection with a citrus tree being in full vegetative stage, and healing of root cuts. Perhaps I'm missing something. - Millet (762-) |
Are you telling me that a sleeping tree can heal root damages in the same way as a tree in vegetative stage does? |
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Millet Citruholic


Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Tue 14 Dec, 2010 8:09 pm |
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No, I was not telling you anything about "sleeping" trees. I was telling you I don't see any connection. I have a lot of container trees. Most container trees that are grown, are active outside during the summer, and then brought indoors where they are warm and active during the cold winter months. They do not go through a "sleeping" stage (perhaps instead of sleeping, you mean dormant, however citrus never really are dormant). Over the years, I probably have transplanted 100's of citrus trees, in every season of the year. When a tree is transplanted in a careful and correct manner, there should be no problem.what time of year it is transplanted. At least I have never encountered a problem, perhaps you have. Anyway that is my humble opinion. The best to you and your trees. - Millet (762-) |
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Ivannn Citruholic

Joined: 14 May 2009 Posts: 176 Location: Bologna, Italy
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Posted: Tue 14 Dec, 2010 8:20 pm |
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Millet wrote: | No, I was not telling you anything about "sleeping" trees. I was telling you I don't see any connection. I have a lot of container trees. Most container trees that are grown, are active outside during the summer, and then brought indoors where they are warm and active during the cold winter months. They do not go through a "sleeping" stage (perhaps insteqad of sleeping, you mean dormant, however citrus never really are dormant). Over the years, I probably have transplanted 100's of citrus trees, in every season of the year. When a tree is transplanted in a careful and correct manner, there should be no problem.what time of year it is transplanted. At least I have never encountered a problem, perhaps you have. Anyway that is my humble opinion. The best to you and your trees. - Millet (762-) |
Thank you for your explanation. Yes i meant dormant - technical terms in english are not my best knowledge - and of course if you can always give the tree the right conditions to be "active", you don't have problems. But if during winter time you kept a citrus tree in a cold nursery (if that's the right definition), just to protect it from wind snow and frost, would you repot it anyway any time of the year? |
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Millet Citruholic


Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Wed 15 Dec, 2010 1:00 am |
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Ivannn, all of my trees are grown year around in a large warm greenhouse. However, to answer your question, ----- if I had a citrus tree in a "cold nursery just to protect it from wind snow and frost", then no I would not transplant the tree. - Millet (762-) |
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C4F Citruholic

Joined: 12 Feb 2010 Posts: 139 Location: San Joaquin Valley, CA
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Posted: Fri 07 Jan, 2011 2:30 am |
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I can see the point Ivannn is trying tp make -- I guess Millet didn't want to play mind-reader that day.
FWIW, I've also heard the "ideal" time is right before root growth is expected. If we were to examine a typical growth cycles, I believe it goes roots first, then veg flush. How many times per year that happens is dependent on the growing conditions (one part is "warmth" described below). So yeah, just after a growth flush (early in the year) is supposed to be the ideal time, since root growth is next.
However, as Millet and others have shared, I too have done complete soil changes to bare root through nearly every month in the year.
I suspect the benefits between of a repot during the ideal vs non-ideal times is not all that great. |
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