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mrtexas
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Posted: Thu 18 Nov, 2010 2:47 am

With the 19F freeze here last winter, my orange and grapefruit trees defoliated. I've got an OK grapefruit crop but almost no navel or blood oranges. My large Page mandarin has a sparse crop of dry fruit. Clementine and Fairchild mandarin crop is almost none. Satsuma crop is also very low and nothing but puffy inedible fruit. This is on 10 year old trees. I'm getting lots of fruit dropping and bad damage from leaf footed bugs. I'll be buying satsuma fruit this year for sure. Like a plague of locusts, the black birds pecked on every fruit out there when they were nickel sized!! Nice crop of about 20 gallons of changshou kumquats - lots of marmalaide to come!

Anyone else having this bad luck in SE Texas/SW Louisiana?
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Posted: Thu 18 Nov, 2010 11:11 am

When the temp drops to 19 degrees F. or lower a poor harvest can be expected. This I learned from Fletcher Granbury, DeRidder Louisiana way back in 1969.
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Posted: Thu 18 Nov, 2010 11:19 am

In south Georgia our crop is very low. Some trees have no fruit while others may have about 10% of a normal crop. Even in the greenhouse the crop is the same, I dont understand it, one Valencia tree has few leaves although it is starting to have some new growth and these are well established trees. I feel your pain!

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Posted: Thu 18 Nov, 2010 6:42 pm

MrTexas,

I am having my first ever crop of kumquats and limequats on my container trees. I have found a few recipes for marmalaide that seem a little strange to me. Soaking the kumquats over night. Is this normal procedure? Do you care to share your recipe?

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Posted: Thu 18 Nov, 2010 10:38 pm

My trees have fruited very little this year as well, but mine are due to a lack of flowering in the initial spring flush (and high vegetative growth) rather than poor fruit set.

Most of my trees are on the young side, so I do not mind so much, as long as this does not become a trend!
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Posted: Fri 19 Nov, 2010 12:59 am

Hershell, trees grown outside can be heavily influenced by the local weather conditions during the growing season. However, healthy citrus trees grown in a greenhouse, where the temperatures are controlled, normally should, more or less, always have good production, unless it is a variety that is affected by alternate bearing. - Millet (788-)
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Posted: Fri 19 Nov, 2010 6:11 pm

cjconover wrote:
MrTexas,

I am having my first ever crop of kumquats and limequats on my container trees. I have found a few recipes for marmalaide that seem a little strange to me. Soaking the kumquats over night. Is this normal procedure? Do you care to share your recipe?

TIA
cindy

Marmalade is my favorite jelly/jam. I have dozens of jars of blackberry and muscadine jelly in the freezer, but always run out of changshou kumquat marmalade every year. Last year I made 3 or 4 dozen pints. I eat 5 pints of marmalade to a pint of blackberry or muscadine jelly.

I use Pomona pectin http://www.pomonapectin.com/ for my marmalaide. It is pectin without the added sugar of grocery store pectin. It jells when you add calcium water(powder provided to make comes with it) to it, no sugar necessary. But if you add no sugar it is the consistency of jello. Pomona pectin is expensive per pound at $30 but not very much is required per batch. Batches can be doubled or tripled, no problem unlike grocery store pectin. I make a LOT of jam/jelly.

I simmer the kumquat slices until tender in a little water and always add some lemons as well. I mix the Pomona pectin with the suger. I add the sugar, dissolve and boil 1 minute and then add to the jars.

One thing different I do is freeze the jars until use to preserve the fresh flavor. The real secret to great flavor is to cook the marmalade/jam the minimum amount and always to use lemons as well. My marmalade tastes like fresh kumquats.

I used to use grocery store pectin as well and just follow the directions on the box. It is a great product but you'd fill up your pantry with boxes of it vs a pound of Pomona pectin.
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Posted: Fri 19 Nov, 2010 6:25 pm

I have a Browns Select satsuma that has at least 350 fruit. I picked over 70 already and there is still at least hundreds more. Some of the fruit has been ruined by brown rot from the rain, but most of it is not damaged and still on the plant. This tree produced few fruit last year. The satsuma that produced over 500 fruit last year has only about 30 this year. I have another Owari satsuma that has over 100 fruit this year and last year produced 300.

The meyer lemons have less fruit this year but still very good production.
This year I used scare tape to prevent the black birds from pecking the fruit and it works!

Overall I have fewer fruit this year because two of three plants had big production last year and much less this year, but the one that produced little last year has a bumper crop this year.
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Posted: Fri 19 Nov, 2010 6:45 pm

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Marmalade is my favorite jelly/jam. I have dozens of jars of blackberry and muscadine jelly in the freezer, but always run out of changshou kumquat marmalade every year. Last year I made 3 or 4 dozen pints. I eat 5 pints of marmalade to a pint of blackberry or muscadine jelly.





MrTexas
Thanks so much. I will check out the pectin you recommend. I have always used Sure Jel because that is what grandma used. My mom picks it up for me at the Amish store (Alot cheaper than the grocery store) Laughing
I don't think I have ever bought jelly/jam from the store. My son's favorite right now is wild violet. I have a hillside in my timber piece that is covered with them in the Spring. I really like the lilac or the dandilion jelly. Since grandma is gone now, someone had to take over making the jelly for the family. I have enjoyed trying new, unusual types. Sometimes they turn out, sometimes not. Next on the list after the kumquat is prickly pear.
Pomegrante/Mango is really good. I think I have too many favorites. I wind up making jelly all year. I have on deep freezer just for jelly. If you know anymore unusual ones, I would love to here from you.

If my Kumquat turns out great (I still make mistakes) do you mind if I call it MrTexas Kumquat Marmalade?

I have learned so much from everyone here on this site, I want to give back anyway I can.

cindy
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Posted: Sat 20 Nov, 2010 1:10 am

there is a Meyer lemon tree over at a neighbors at my sister's house. i have helped myself to the fruit that hangs over the fence usually there are a lot of fruit but this year there is virtually none. the Meyer tree that i gave my sister had it's best year yet. her tree is in a pot and was protected during the cold spells last winter. the tree is still small but produced ~ 50 fruit.

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Posted: Tue 30 Nov, 2010 4:01 am

I harvested 151 meyer lemons on Sunday and there are still at least 35 left on a small in ground tree. The larger meyer lemon plant has at least 300 maybe even 500. I only need about 250 meyer lemon fruit for my needs the rest I give away. This is still about 35 percent below the average. The Brown Select satsuma had a great year with 296 fruit harvested so far and still 150 to 250 remaining on the plant.

This years production is not that bad eventhough it is below average overall.
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Posted: Tue 30 Nov, 2010 12:37 pm

I have been making citrus marmalade for a number of years and have never had to use commercial pectin. I cut up a variety of things (such as calamondins, limequats, kumquats, Page peel), add two cups of water and bring them to a boil and simmer for about 20 minutes. Cover and let stand over night. You do not need to refrigerate it.

The next day I again bring the stuff to a boil and for every 8 cups of cut up fruit, I add 5 pounds of sugar. Slowly bring it to a boil and let it simmer until the temperature reaches 226F. I never bother to skim the foam off as that has a lot of flavor in it.

I take a number of clean mason jars and run them through the dishwasher and only take them out when I finish the boiling.

Once it reaches 226F I take it off the heat and using clean mason jars I bottle it, then process it in a boiling water bath for 10 minutes.

It ALWAYS sets up! So far, I have never had a failure.
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Posted: Tue 30 Nov, 2010 5:43 pm

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I cut up a variety of things (such as calamondins, limequats, kumquats, Page peel), add two cups of water and bring them to a boil and simmer for about 20 minutes.


Got a few questions. I have never made marmalade before.. Laughing
Peels and all? How small of pieces do you cut them in? Why soak over night, does this soften the peels?. I have some limequats that are still green on the tree, could I use these or should I wait till they turn colors.

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Posted: Tue 30 Nov, 2010 7:16 pm

cjconover wrote:
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Marmalade is my favorite jelly/jam. I have dozens of jars of blackberry and muscadine jelly in the freezer, but always run out of changshou kumquat marmalade every year. Last year I made 3 or 4 dozen pints. I eat 5 pints of marmalade to a pint of blackberry or muscadine jelly.





MrTexas
Thanks so much. I will check out the pectin you recommend. I have always used Sure Jel because that is what grandma used. My mom picks it up for me at the Amish store (Alot cheaper than the grocery store) Laughing
I don't think I have ever bought jelly/jam from the store. My son's favorite right now is wild violet. I have a hillside in my timber piece that is covered with them in the Spring. I really like the lilac or the dandilion jelly. Since grandma is gone now, someone had to take over making the jelly for the family. I have enjoyed trying new, unusual types. Sometimes they turn out, sometimes not. Next on the list after the kumquat is prickly pear.
Pomegrante/Mango is really good. I think I have too many favorites. I wind up making jelly all year. I have on deep freezer just for jelly. If you know anymore unusual ones, I would love to here from you.

If my Kumquat turns out great (I still make mistakes) do you mind if I call it MrTexas Kumquat Marmalade?

I have learned so much from everyone here on this site, I want to give back anyway I can.

cindy


I wrote the post before checking out the current price of Pomona Pectin which is $48 per pound which works out to $2.50 per batch of 6 pints of marmalade(used to be $30 a pound not too long ago). Ugg. $2.50 is not too bad but I don't use the advantage of Pomona which is low or no sugar jam as I didn't like the consistency of it. I use full sugar and I may as well used SurJel for that price. Instead I bought some bulk pectin on ebay for $30 for 5 pounds and will try that. It is a commercial product with no instructions but I should be able to develop a recipe. I make several dozen pints per year of marmalade.
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Posted: Tue 30 Nov, 2010 7:17 pm

tolumnia wrote:
I have been making citrus marmalade for a number of years and have never had to use commercial pectin. I cut up a variety of things (such as calamondins, limequats, kumquats, Page peel), add two cups of water and bring them to a boil and simmer for about 20 minutes. Cover and let stand over night. You do not need to refrigerate it.

The next day I again bring the stuff to a boil and for every 8 cups of cut up fruit, I add 5 pounds of sugar. Slowly bring it to a boil and let it simmer until the temperature reaches 226F. I never bother to skim the foam off as that has a lot of flavor in it.

I take a number of clean mason jars and run them through the dishwasher and only take them out when I finish the boiling.

Once it reaches 226F I take it off the heat and using clean mason jars I bottle it, then process it in a boiling water bath for 10 minutes.

It ALWAYS sets up! So far, I have never had a failure.


I'm sure this works. I like the fresh taste of minimally boiled marmalade. I keep it in the freezer as well to preserve the freshness.
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