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yuzuquat Citruholic
Joined: 01 Sep 2013 Posts: 114 Location: manchester, england
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Posted: Mon 04 Nov, 2013 4:05 pm |
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Hi all,
Does anybody know if dunstan citrumelo is zygotic or nucellar?
Want to line breed and which type will determine if pollen or seed parent.
Thanks. |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Mon 04 Nov, 2013 6:17 pm |
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What is " line breed?"
Zygotic is pollinated seed, nucellar is from the nucellus of the mother tree, thus identical to parent tree. - Millet |
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yuzuquat Citruholic
Joined: 01 Sep 2013 Posts: 114 Location: manchester, england
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Posted: Mon 04 Nov, 2013 6:55 pm |
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Line breeding is used to improve stock by selecting the descendants from a particular cross and crossing them together so as to select for a particular trait.
It has long been used particularly to improve livestock.
Using fast flowering trifoliate the generation time between each cross can be much shortened and can effectively try and concentrate the harfiness genes from trifoliate with the better flavour of the citrus parent.
Swingle citrumelo and ichang lemon produce some zygotic seedlings and can be crossed with fast trifoliate. The zygotic seedling will floeer quickly and then can be used on something else of similar ilk to again produce zygotic seedlings.
Select the hardy se
edlings for flavour and cross these together and select best to cross
Together again.
So prefer plants that produce some zygotic seeds do can carry on down line. Would prefer to use something other than swingle which really tastes bad. |
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ilyaC Citruholic
Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 274 Location: France, 40km South of Paris
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Posted: Mon 04 Nov, 2013 8:31 pm |
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yuzuquat wrote: |
Using fast flowering trifoliate the generation time between each cross can be much shortened and can effectively try and concentrate the harfiness genes from trifoliate with the better flavour of the citrus parent.
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Are you sure that "fast flowering poncirus" is as hardy as a regular one? _________________ Best regards,
Ilya |
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yuzuquat Citruholic
Joined: 01 Sep 2013 Posts: 114 Location: manchester, england
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Posted: Mon 04 Nov, 2013 9:42 pm |
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Have seen nothing to suggest otherwise in either American or chinese liturature.
Only issue seems to be that seedlings people have in europe are slow growing (are they going to flower in 18months).
Problems with die back seem to be due to faults in culture.
Almost certainly need ideal growing conditions to ensure earliest flowering. |
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ilyaC Citruholic
Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 274 Location: France, 40km South of Paris
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Posted: Tue 05 Nov, 2013 6:03 am |
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yuzuquat wrote: | Have seen nothing to suggest otherwise in either American or chinese liturature.
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Chinese variety is everblooming , could be an issue for the induction of hardiness in the autumn.
I am not quite sure that American variety has been tested in really harsh conditions. _________________ Best regards,
Ilya |
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Sylvain Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2007 Posts: 790 Location: Bergerac, France.
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Posted: Tue 05 Nov, 2013 6:16 am |
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OK I do it. I'll put one (only one to begin with) in the ground. |
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yuzuquat Citruholic
Joined: 01 Sep 2013 Posts: 114 Location: manchester, england
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Posted: Tue 05 Nov, 2013 4:38 pm |
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Whilst I'm happy to discuss merits or otherwise of fast flowering trifoliate thread has lost sight of my opening question :-
Is dunstan citrumelo zygotic or nucellar?
From what I read about fast flowering trifoliate in US and precosious trifoliate are the same gene mutation affecting juvenility. Iylia not sure which chinese poncirus you mean when you say everblooming? |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Tue 05 Nov, 2013 6:47 pm |
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I do not know about Dunstan, however based on the zygotic seed frequency of Swingle, Sacaton and Bella Citrumelos, which normally produce between 15 to 18% seeds that are zygotic, I would expect that Dunstan would be about the same. - Millet |
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yuzuquat Citruholic
Joined: 01 Sep 2013 Posts: 114 Location: manchester, england
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Posted: Tue 05 Nov, 2013 7:14 pm |
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Thanks millet that was type of answer was hoping for.
At those rates worthwhile using as seed parent to try and concentrate and improve the good traits it has. |
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ilyaC Citruholic
Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 274 Location: France, 40km South of Paris
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Posted: Tue 05 Nov, 2013 8:27 pm |
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yuzuquat wrote: |
From what I read about fast flowering trifoliate in US and precosious trifoliate are the same gene mutation affecting juvenility. Iylia not sure which chinese poncirus you mean when you say everblooming? |
I wonder where you have read this? Chinese variety is described here. _________________ Best regards,
Ilya |
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