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JoeReal
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Posted: Thu 24 Jan, 2008 5:49 pm

All this talk about ethanol from corn, why not citruses?

Citrus peels to run your car? A sweet ethanol fuel is on its way

By: Randy Rauch

Florida's citrus groves may no longer be just for orange juice. Plans have been made to make fuel from citrus peels.

A plant planned in Auburndale will produce ethanol from citrus peels thanks to a $500,000 grant. The plant would begin by using a 10,000 gallon fermenter and some 67,000 pounds of citrus peels per batch, and then upgrading capacity, in the production of ethanol.

The ultimate goal of the project is to design and build a full-scale commercial plant capable of generating 8 million gallons of ethanol a year by using and disposing of 800,000 tons of citrus waste annually.

Florida drivers will use more than 10 billion gallons of gasoline in a year.

The plant will be built on land leased from Cutrale Citrus Juices USA Inc. in Auburndale to produce ethanol from citrus peels. The facility part of the state's "Farm to Fuel" initiative, Florida Agriculture and Consumer Services Commissioner Charles H. Bronson announced on Tuesday.

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http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=72300
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Posted: Thu 24 Jan, 2008 5:53 pm

With the oils in the peels, I think that biodiesel can first be extracted from the peels before they can be fermented to produce ethanol or butanol. It makes the life of yeasts a lot better too when you first remove the oil. I know this, because I've been making wine from citruses. The wine would smell really bad if you ferment together with the peels. The trick is to only add the peels for steeping in the wine long after the active fermentation to impart stronger citrus aroma on the wine. Fermenting oil results in bad tasting or rancid wines, indicating that yeasts aren't happy with it.


So we will gain two fuels, first process is biodiesel, and the next process is ethanol.
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Posted: Thu 24 Jan, 2008 6:41 pm

Thanks Joe, I have read about ethanol from Florida orange peels before. Two comments: (1) I hate to see Cutrale Citrus Juices USA Inc involved in any manner. Cutrale is NO FRIEND of the Florida citrus growers, nor are they an American company. I don't know who gave the $500,000.00 grant, (unless it was the Cutrale family), but they should have done their homework before choosing Cutrale. (2) In stead of making fuel, use the ethanol to make "whiskey" and the project will generate a lot more profit. LOL - Millet
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Posted: Thu 24 Jan, 2008 7:08 pm

Millet, it would be superb tasting brandy, but the process has to be modified like I have suggested, instead of biodiesel, you will be extracting the essences first. Generally, distilled spirits from fermented fruits are called brandy. If from fermented grains, they are whiskey. Rums are from molasses and sugar cane, Tequilla from agave, "Lambanog" from coconut sap, "Garapa" from grape skins, and I believe there will be a special term from citrus peels... and soon. But distillation to concentrate alcohol is illegal and a federal violation.
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Posted: Fri 25 Jan, 2008 11:09 am

Ethanol is probably a better use for pulp waste than turning it into low grade cattle feed.

I wonder what they'll do with the pulp after it has been fermented?

.....Alan.
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Posted: Fri 25 Jan, 2008 1:32 pm

A.T. Hagan wrote:
Ethanol is probably a better use for pulp waste than turning it into low grade cattle feed.

I wonder what they'll do with the pulp after it has been fermented?

.....Alan.


Those are generally called pomace. They are processed into compost. Another way is to anaerobically digest by methanogens to produce biogas. Then after a time in the digester, the sediments are collected to produce high quality organic pots, or to create insulating materials.
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Posted: Fri 25 Jan, 2008 7:57 pm

My guessy he gas produced would be methane. Is the gas collected and used, or allowed to disapate? Citrus peels are chemically sprayed numerous times during their life in the orchard. It seem difficult to me that the compost could be sold a "organic'. BTW Joe, we all thank you very much for the effort you put forth in bringing us the current news within the citrus industry. - Millet
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Posted: Sat 26 Jan, 2008 1:35 am

Below is a BBC online article from a few months ago.

Fruit could make 'powerful fuel'

I do like what Joe is doing also. I really appreciate the
written text to coincide along with the link. Makes me
wish I had done that for some of the now non functional
or changed URL's I've listed in another online forum
format host.

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Posted: Sat 26 Jan, 2008 1:42 am

Millet wrote:
I hate to see Cutrale Citrus Juices USA Inc involved in any manner. Cutrale is NO FRIEND of the Florida citrus growers, nor are they an American company. I don't know who gave the $500,000.00 grant, (unless it was the Cutrale family), but they should have done their homework before choosing Cutrale.


As the saying goes, keep your friends close
And your "NO FRIEND" even closer... Twisted Evil
So very close monitoring it should be, LOL!
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Posted: Sat 26 Jan, 2008 1:48 am

Millet wrote:
My guessy he gas produced would be methane. Is the gas collected and used, or allowed to disapate? Citrus peels are chemically sprayed numerous times during their life in the orchard. It seem difficult to me that the compost could be sold a "organic'. BTW Joe, we all thank you very much for the effort you put forth in bringing us the current news within the citrus industry. - Millet


There are many arguments about the gas. Some would argue that it is not economical to collect to generate power, but sometimes, they intentionally burn the biogas in the open to get converted over to carbon dioxide, because methane is several times more efficient as a greenhouse gas than CO2 for heating up the air. Biogas is a mixture of hydrogen, carbon dioxide, methane, hydrogen sulfide, sulfur dioxide and other gasseous fermentation products. Majority of the biogas component is methane.

There are many successful projects submitted to California Energy Commission about various farms generating more than enough power from biogas for their requirements and off loading the excess to the power grid. Problem is they don't get compensated for their excess power as of today's legislation. Their main purpose is for odor and pollution mitigation of manure and biogas digesters are one of the approved methods. Electric generators were specifically designed to use biogas, and thus they now got excess power. They are on net-metering with the grid, and you know if they give significantly more than they use, questions of fairness naturally bubbles to the surface.

Thanks for informing about the chemical sprays on commercial citruses. I seldom see spraying over citrus orchards here. I seldom spray my citruses except for oil, kocide, or lime-sulfur, all of which are organically approved. Do you know what type of chemicals are sprayed in the citrus orchards of Florida?
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Posted: Sat 26 Jan, 2008 4:37 pm

Joe see this spray program. - Millet

http://www.chem-tox.com/cancerchildren/spraycitrus.htm
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Posted: Sat 26 Jan, 2008 7:54 pm

I don't know what date the chem-tox people got that list, or indeed, if they may have made it up on their own, but it certainly is not true.

Kelthane was removed from the market due to its trace of DDT that it used to contain, and then was relabeled in the newer, non-DDT form (which we now can use) -- that was at least 10 years ago.

Benlate (they misspell it Benelate) has not been used on any Florida citrus in many years.

Note, too, that they chose Murcott and Grapefruit as their examples. Murcott is horrendously susceptible to citrus scab, so must be sprayed with fungicides frequently to prevent that disease, since we try to sell virtually all of that crop fresh (hence, its peels would not enter the biofuel pathway that is the subject of this thread). Grapefruit, too, is susceptible to scab, melanose, and greasy spot rind blotch, all of which lessen its value for the fresh market, and again, we try to sell as much grapefruit fresh, and as little processed, as possible.

From the website's title, I'd say they have a not-too-hidden agenda, and think it important to point out that no material used on citrus in the US is in any way associated (with data) with any form of human cancer. All such suggestions are unfounded innuendo.
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Posted: Sun 27 Jan, 2008 12:11 am

Thank you Dr. Manners. However, I believe just the fact that almost all of the trees are fertilized with chemical fertilizers, instead of manures or whatever, would disqualify the fruit (thus the peel) from being classified as organic, therefore the compost could not be classified as organic. - Millet
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Posted: Sun 27 Jan, 2008 12:33 am

Here is an insecticide recomendation by University of Florida IFAS for use on Florida citrus. - Millet

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/CG005
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Posted: Sun 27 Jan, 2008 1:35 am

Millet wrote:
Thank you Dr. Manners. However, I believe just the fact that almost all of the trees are fertilized with chemical fertilizers, instead of manures or whatever, would disqualify the fruit (thus the peel) from being classified as organic, therefore the compost could not be classified as organic. - Millet
How did organic get in here?

.....Alan.
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