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Millet
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| Posted: Fri 15 Aug, 2008 11:39 pm |
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By their phylogenetic study Barrett and Rhodes found that the citron, mandarin and the pummelo constitute the three true and valid original species, from which all other citrus varieties are hybrid descendants. However, Scora in 1975 added another original TRUE SPECIES Citrus halimii as a new species from Malaya and peninsular Thailand. I cannot find much information on the Internet concerning C. halimii. Does anyone know anything about the fruit it produces? - Millet |
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citrusboy
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| Posted: Tue 19 Aug, 2008 8:10 pm |
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Hi Millet,
I have some seeds that UCR provided me but they did not germinate. I am soaking another batch this week before I plant again.
http://www.dnp.go.th/botany/Web_Plant/plantdetail.aspx?monthno=200502&smonthname=Febuary
Not sure where this particular tree is located either as they have numerous locations for the Citrus variety collection.
If I get some fresh fruit do you want one?
Marc
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Millet
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| Posted: Wed 20 Aug, 2008 12:29 am |
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Marc, I would be very grateful and appreciative for a couple seeds of Citrus halimii. I notice on the link you provided it listed Mr. B.C. Stone's name. Stone described C. Halimii two years earlier (1973) than Scora. |
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Millet
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| Posted: Thu 21 Aug, 2008 10:48 am |
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I found this in the book, "Citrus Genetics, Breeding & Biotechnology" about Citrus halimii.------------"The relatively recently described monoembroyonic Citrus halimii (meaning every seed only has one zygotic embryo), shows characteristics intermediate between Citrus and Kumquat. There is evidence that Citrus halimii is not actually a Citrus species at all. Recent molecular studies by Luro in 1992, Herrero in 1996, and also by Fang in 1998, have supported that C. halimii is a distinct species that is more closely related to the Kumquat. - Millet |
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SusanB
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| Posted: Thu 21 Aug, 2008 12:58 pm |
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Wow, 25m seems tall for a citrus. Or a not-citrus.
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Mark_T
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| Posted: Fri 09 Jul, 2010 11:31 pm |
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Does anyone have pictures of this tree? |
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Millet
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| Posted: Sat 10 Jul, 2010 1:05 am |
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Back in 2008 Citrusboy sent me several seeds of Citrus Halimii. Unfortunately, the seeds were very old and dehydrated, and none of them ever germinated. I have never been able to locate any more seeds, nor a tree. - Millet (930-) |
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Mark_T
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| Posted: Sat 10 Jul, 2010 1:33 am |
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Millet, can I ask your interest in this tree? Does it grow edible fruit? |
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Millet
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| Posted: Sat 10 Jul, 2010 2:16 am |
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Several citrus scientist and researchers claim that C. Halimii is one of the original True and valid species. Before the discovery of C. Halimii, only citron, mandarin and the pummelo were constituted as the three true and valid original species from which all present day citrus varieties descended. The sour Halimii's fruit is eatable. The tree is very (EXTREMELY) rare therefore automatically valuable as a collector item.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrus_halimii
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Mark_T
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| Posted: Sat 10 Jul, 2010 2:29 am |
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| Millet wrote: | Several citrus scientist and researchers claim that C. Halimii is one of the original True and valid species. Before the discovery of C. Halimii, only citron, mandarin and the pummelo were constituted as the three true and valid original species from which all present day citrus varieties descended. The sour Halimii's fruit is eatable. The tree is very (EXTREMELY) rare therefore automatically valuable as a collector item.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrus_halimii
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Gotcha, thanks. I knew you didn't grow ornamentals anymore, so I was curious. |
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mike_N
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John Bonzo
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| Posted: Wed 14 Jul, 2010 5:26 pm |
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Google translate does a decent job:
Title: South Orange-garde
Medium-sized tree about 25 m high seedling thorny Leaves sub-licensed one (unifoliate) Leaves oval scams or 8-15 cm long elliptical leaves the end of a short pencil. Curved shallow end Leaf margins flat or slightly wavy Mon frequency branch line leaves the petiole 7-11 pairs 1-2 cm long, sometimes as narrow wings. The single flower stem 1 to 3.5 mm long calyx and petals of each flower has five petals petals pollen fragrant white males 18-20, the ovaries are each play 60-10 Car Car Place. with 1-5 ovules pollen grain stalk female stigma is a flat bar of 5-7 cm diameter, almost round green ripening yellow, smooth to rough Approximately 0.6 cm thick shell of water bag pale yellowish green. Many seeds about 2 cm long
Orange garde under the Distribution narrow. Found in the peninsula and Borneo Mala UK found only in Thai southern province of Nakhon Si Thammarat and Yala, the slope and ridge areas in the tropical rain forest altitude 900-1800 m.
Left photo: The single flower stalk leaves the niche to bar female pollen.
(Photo: Bannang Sata, Narathiwat).
Center photo: Similar effects of lime
(Photo: Bannang Sata, Narathiwat)....
Right Photo: Ripe fruit.
(Photo: Bannang Sata, Narathiwat). |
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MarcV
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| Posted: Wed 14 Jul, 2010 5:34 pm |
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Looks like the Thai live in the future  page is dated April 30, 2550...
Anyway... what are the exact requirements for a plant to be considered a "true citrus"?
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Millet
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| Posted: Thu 15 Jul, 2010 1:01 am |
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Marc our discussion concerning C. Halimii is not about it being a true citrus, but rather that C. Halimii is one of the original four true and valid species, (along with the citron, mandarin and pummelo) meaning that C. Halimii is thought by many experts to be one of the original pure (true) species from the beginning, from which all the known citrus grown in the world today are descended from (not the result of any hybridization). Many other experts believe that the citron, mandarin and pummelo were the three fore-fathers of all the known citrus varieties grown today. However, C.Halimii was only "recently" discovered. - Millet (915-) |
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MarcV
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| Posted: Thu 15 Jul, 2010 4:05 am |
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I understand, but your quote from the book made me wonder...
| Millet wrote: | | I found this in the book, "Citrus Genetics, Breeding & Biotechnology" about Citrus halimii.------------"The relatively recently described monoembroyonic Citrus halimii (meaning every seed only has one zygotic embryo), shows characteristics intermediate between Citrus and Kumquat. There is evidence that Citrus halimii is not actually a Citrus species at all. Recent molecular studies by Luro in 1992, Herrero in 1996, and also by Fang in 1998, have supported that C. halimii is a distinct species that is more closely related to the Kumquat. - Millet |
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