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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Wed 20 Aug, 2008 5:15 pm |
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Relatively recently it was found through molecular phylogenetic relationships that Citron, Mandarin and Pummelo are the three original true citrus fruits from which all other citrus are descendants. Interestingly, the earliest workers also believed that there were only three or four valid species of citrus. (Linnaeus 1753 and Hooker, 1875. Recent molecular studies have supported this concept. - Millet |
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A.T. Hagan Moderator
Joined: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 898 Location: Gainesville, Florida, United States, Earth - Sol III
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Posted: Tue 02 Dec, 2008 7:00 pm |
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Interesting.
So, what were the necessary crosses to produce say,
Sour orange
Sweet orange
Key lime (Mexican or West Indies)
Lemons such as Eureka and Lisbon?
.....Alan. |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Tue 02 Dec, 2008 7:26 pm |
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Millet wrote: | Relatively recently it was found through molecular phylogenetic relationships that Citron, Mandarin and Pummelo are the three original true citrus fruits from which all other citrus are descendants. Interestingly, the earliest workers also believed that there were only three or four valid species of citrus. (Linnaeus 1753 and Hooker, 1875. Recent molecular studies have supported this concept. - Millet |
This is only a broad generalization and therefore not certainly true, only generally true. If you think hard, scan your indexed memories and review through all the citruses you have dealt with.
In fact, in the citrus cultivars topic, I posted the diagram from UCR about the citrus origins. |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Tue 02 Dec, 2008 7:32 pm |
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The limes for example came from a fourth species you did not mention. The limes are a cross between the unmentioned Citrus micrantha and Citron. |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Tue 02 Dec, 2008 7:34 pm |
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And the endless inter-generic crosses between genus Citrus and genus Fortunella from which Calamondins, Mandarinquats, Limequats, Sunquats have all been derived, and some of these are major crops in certain countries. For example, Calamondins grown off-season can make somebody a millionaire. |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Tue 02 Dec, 2008 7:35 pm |
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Not to mention the Trifoliates and their hybrids which are one of the most popular rootstocks used the world all over. |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Tue 02 Dec, 2008 7:37 pm |
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And the latest craze about the relatively conferred genus called Microcitrus where the Australian finger limes and their related species belong. They are now being hybridized with citruses, producing exciting new fruit variations. |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Tue 02 Dec, 2008 7:38 pm |
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And lastly, the wild relatives of citruses that can confer some greening disease resistance, to which have never been before used as citrus parent materials of the cultivated western world citruses. That too will come in the future. |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Tue 02 Dec, 2008 7:45 pm |
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A.T. Hagan wrote: | Interesting.
So, what were the necessary crosses to produce say,
Sour orange
Sweet orange
Key lime (Mexican or West Indies)
Lemons such as Eureka and Lisbon?
.....Alan. |
Check this link in the citrus cultivars forum:
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and should contain this figure:
(This was taken from power point presentation of Dr. Kahn at LREC)
Obviously absent are the link to fortunellas and their hybrids, because to the western world market, these are unimportant citrus cultivars, so forgive some of the ignorance or intentional ommissions. |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Tue 02 Dec, 2008 10:20 pm |
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New genetic diagram should be shown to include the following in addition to the existing ones shown above:
Poncirus and their hybrids
Fortunellas and their Hybrids
Wild citrus relatives including the Papedas and their hybrids
Microcitruses and their hybrids (some of your names could be here) |
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A.T. Hagan Moderator
Joined: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 898 Location: Gainesville, Florida, United States, Earth - Sol III
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Posted: Tue 02 Dec, 2008 11:04 pm |
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I had to look up Citrus micrantha as in the photo it appears to be a Key lime, but apparently it's one of the progenitor species of it. Not sure yet what the other species in its make up are yet.
.....Alan. |
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bastrees Citruholic
Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 232 Location: Southeastern PA
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Posted: Wed 03 Dec, 2008 12:56 pm |
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Being relativey new to citrus, I had never run across the term papeda in Joe Real's thread, and so I began to look into it. I stumbled upon this list which looked (to me) to have relevance to this thread. I found it interesting, although I would be the last one to be able to determine if it is consistent with established theory of lineage. Barbara
http://www.everything2.org/index.pl?node_id=1315305 |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sun 07 Dec, 2008 5:58 pm |
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Citrus originated in the Malay Archipelago and in Southeast Asia. However, more recent evidence suggests that Yunnan province in south-central China may be the center of origin due to the diversity of species found, and the network of rivers in this area which could have provided "on route dispersal" to the south. - Millet |
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