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ivica Moderator
Joined: 08 Jan 2007 Posts: 658 Location: Sisak, Croatia, zone 7b
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Posted: Fri 10 Feb, 2012 4:26 pm |
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Lemon & Citron
"Names for lemon in a large number of European tongues derive from Latin citrus, e.g., German Zitrone, French citron, Finnish sitruuna, Latvian citrons, Czech citrón, Polish cytryna, Hungarian citrom, Yiddish zitstrin [זיצטרין] and Armenian gidron [կիտրոն], all of which mean lemon.
Some languages have similar names for the more ancient fruit, citron, which should not be confused with lemon: Croatian četrun, Polish cytron, French cédrat, Italian cedro, Russian tsedrat [цедрат] and Greek kitro [κίτρο]."
http://research.fuseink.com/cp/MTAwMzEwNg
http://www.uni-graz.at/~katzer/engl/Citr_aur.html
My note:
People in some areas of Adriatic call citron simply "wild lemon",
in some areas asking for četrun you could get (water)melon.
Cedruna
"This very old variety is thought to have originated in India, whence it spread to Persia and circa 300 B.C. to the Near East. It arrived in Europe via Sicily and Sardinia after 200 B.C. It used to be widely grown in Calabria and Campania and to a certain extent on the islands of the Dalmatian coast and Ionian Sea. Recently its growing area has diminished. "
http://users.kymp.net/citruspages/citrons.html#cedruna
Source: http://www.safiresabzejahrom.com/
Cold hardiness?
Citrons are very tender wrt cold, also I have read somewhere, can't recall the source, that citron do not like just too cold but also too hot environment.
How large can fruit be?
How long can the tree keep a fruit?
If you have more photos or information, please, post them here. _________________
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MarcV Moderator
Joined: 03 Mar 2010 Posts: 1474 Location: Schoten (Antwerp), Belgium
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Posted: Sat 11 Feb, 2012 3:28 pm |
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There's more confusion in citrus name-giving...
Where I live (Belgium/Flanders), we talk about "pomelo" (citrus maxima) and "pompelmoes" (citrus paradisi, grapefruit).
In French these names are also used, but reversed: they talk about "pamplemousse" (citrus maxima) and "pomelo" (citrus paradisi, grapefruit). _________________ - Marc |
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ivica Moderator
Joined: 08 Jan 2007 Posts: 658 Location: Sisak, Croatia, zone 7b
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Posted: Sat 11 Feb, 2012 5:00 pm |
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Here is something what have captured my attention recently:
Not Cedruna but according to this news article
http://www.jutarnji.hr/kod-benediktinki-rastu-limuni-od-1-3-kilograma/209743/
autochthonous domestic variety (a četrun). Mother tree is in Benedictine monastery in Trogir, Croatia.
Thanks to the Benedictine nuns of Zadar, trees grown from the twigs of their pet ended up in many gardens in Zadar, as well as in monasteries in Italy.
Maybe unusual characteristic for citron, article says fruit (weight up to 1.3 kg) can give up to 0.9 litre of juice.
Looks like one more item asking further research. _________________
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citrange Site Admin
Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 589 Location: UK - 15 miles west of London
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Posted: Sat 11 Feb, 2012 6:12 pm |
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Citrons are very variable, generally considerably larger than lemons.
I recently posted photos of two varieties that are currently fruiting in my greenhouse.
See topic
link
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ivica Moderator
Joined: 08 Jan 2007 Posts: 658 Location: Sisak, Croatia, zone 7b
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Posted: Sun 12 Feb, 2012 1:15 pm |
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MarcV, local name for Citrus grandis (maxima) on Adriatic islands is čadek.
Mike, please post photos of fruits halves when that become possible.
Četrun tree on island of Vis, Croatia:
More photos here: http://palmapedia.com/index.php/topic,348.60.html
Fruit keeping is the characteristic of my main interest:
"The citron does not fall off the tree and can reach 810 pounds (45 kg) if not picked before fully mature.[7]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citron
Četrun fruits on island of Loinj can remain attached to the tree up to 3 years. That location deserves own topic which I'll open later. _________________
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5652 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Sun 12 Feb, 2012 1:59 pm |
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Lemandarangequatelo Citruholic
Joined: 01 Mar 2010 Posts: 473 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat 18 Feb, 2012 8:29 am |
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Thanks very much for this enjoyable thread! Is there any chance of sourcing a young tree of each of those citron varieties to buy? |
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ivica Moderator
Joined: 08 Jan 2007 Posts: 658 Location: Sisak, Croatia, zone 7b
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Posted: Sun 19 Feb, 2012 6:52 am |
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Lemandarangequatelo wrote: | Thanks very much for this enjoyable thread! Is there any chance of sourcing a young tree of each of those citron varieties to buy? |
I'm not aware of any nursery offering those. _________________
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Lemandarangequatelo Citruholic
Joined: 01 Mar 2010 Posts: 473 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun 19 Feb, 2012 12:32 pm |
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Thanks Ivica. That's a shame they aren't available. They sound like very nice varieties to have, especially for making hybrids. |
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citrange Site Admin
Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 589 Location: UK - 15 miles west of London
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Posted: Sun 19 Feb, 2012 6:25 pm |
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Quote: | Mike, please post photos of fruits halves when that become possible.
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All these fruits are very sour. The Ponderosa has a typical lemon flavour; the Bergamot has a distinctive bitter aftertaste. Others are just acidic with no particularly noticeable flavour.
Fruit sizes and weights are for my UK greenhouse plants - no doubt they would be bigger in a citrus climate.
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Radoslav Moderator
Joined: 03 May 2008 Posts: 453 Location: Slovak Republic
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Posted: Mon 20 Feb, 2012 5:45 am |
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Ivica, here is huge info about citrus medica in mediterranean area, in czech language, written by Peter Broza http://www.citrusy.cz/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1645&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=citrus+medica&start=150
He also has citrus medica "cedruna" in his collection.
Pure citrus medica (because here are a lot of hybrids, which are less cold sensitive) is extremly cold sensitive citrus. Even in Italy they grow it under protections against cold in Santa Maria del Cedro region, which is the famoust cedrat growers region in Italy. |
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ivica Moderator
Joined: 08 Jan 2007 Posts: 658 Location: Sisak, Croatia, zone 7b
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Posted: Mon 20 Feb, 2012 7:21 am |
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Mike, thank you for the photos.
Radoslav, thank you for the link, really a lot of info there.
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Sanguinello Gest
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Posted: Wed 25 Jul, 2012 11:25 am |
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citrange wrote: | Quote: | Mike, please post photos of fruits halves when that become possible.
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All these fruits are very sour. The Ponderosa has a typical lemon flavour; the Bergamot has a distinctive bitter aftertaste. Others are just acidic with no particularly noticeable flavour.
Fruit sizes and weights are for my UK greenhouse plants - no doubt they would be bigger in a citrus climate.
Citrange/Mike |
Hi Mike !
Are you sure the Rhobs el Arsa is no orange or bitter orange ? |
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Sanguinello Gest
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Posted: Wed 25 Jul, 2012 11:44 am |
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ivica wrote: | MarcV, local name for Citrus grandis (maxima) on Adriatic islands is čadek.
Mike, please post photos of fruits halves when that become possible.
Četrun tree on island of Vis, Croatia:
More photos here: http://palmapedia.com/index.php/topic,348.60.html
Fruit keeping is the characteristic of my main interest:
"The citron does not fall off the tree and can reach 810 pounds (45 kg) if not picked before fully mature.[7]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citron
Četrun fruits on island of Loinj can remain attached to the tree up to 3 years. That location deserves own topic which I'll open later. |
These Cetrun .. are they citrus medica ?
Do they have juice ? |
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MarcV Moderator
Joined: 03 Mar 2010 Posts: 1474 Location: Schoten (Antwerp), Belgium
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Posted: Thu 07 Feb, 2013 7:37 am |
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Sanguinello wrote: | Hi Mike !
Are you sure the Rhobs el Arsa is no orange or bitter orange ? |
According to INRA, Rhobs el Arsa is a cross between citrus medica and citrus aurantium... _________________ - Marc |
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