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Sylvain
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Posted: Wed 06 Oct, 2010 3:47 am

> I'm shocked a Frenchmen would love Obama's anti-American agenda.
I don't see it this way.

> Please, it benefits Europe the more we become like them.
Europe is made of very different countries.
Anyway, my words are not "Europe words". I speak in my name.
I don't agree with many things in Europe.
If I agree with what Obama does it is because I think it will be good for the majority of Americans not for Europe.

> Which is why we should ignore anything they have to say about our elections.
Indeed, my point of view is the one of someone out of the USA. It could be different if I lived in The US.

> I'm sure they would love for us to follow Spain or Greece.
There, it looks like a joke!
Don't forget that if Greece, Spain and Island (and nearly France and England) have drawn it's because of the crisis made by the US speculating economic system. Shocked

> The further we go down the drain, the less they have to worry about us competing with their economy.
This is not the way I think. I 'd love to see every man on this world happy.
Not one against the other.
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Posted: Wed 06 Oct, 2010 4:08 am

Sylvain wrote:
> I'm shocked a Frenchmen would love Obama's anti-American agenda. I don't see it this way.

> Please, it benefits Europe the more we become like them.
Europe is made of very different countries.
Anyway, my words are not "Europe words". I speak in my name.
I don't agree with many things in Europe.
If I agree with what Obama does it is because I think it will be good for the majority of Americans not for Europe.

> Which is why we should ignore anything they have to say about our elections.
Indeed, my point of view is the one of someone out of the USA. It could be different if I lived in The US.

> I'm sure they would love for us to follow Spain or Greece.
There, it looks like a joke!
Don't forget that if Greece, Spain and Island (and nearly France and England) have drawn it's because of the crisis made by the US speculating economic system. Shocked

> The further we go down the drain, the less they have to worry about us competing with their economy.
This is not the way I think. I 'd love to see every man on this world happy.
Not one against the other.


I'm sure you are a great guy, it's nothing personal. Many of us here don't want to go the way Europe has. I do believe Europe has a vested interest in the USA turning more towards Socialism. It's basic competition in a global economy. I don't doubt that our economy has effected Europe's, but we aren't happy with it either. I can tell you one thing, it wasn't Capitalism that failed, because we've haven't been practicing it for some time. I hope we do again soon. Government interventionism plays a large role in what has happened. All economies have cycles, this recession has been made worse and deeper by liberal economics (Keynes), liberal policies and horrible monetary policy.
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Sylvain
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Posted: Wed 06 Oct, 2010 7:56 am

I don't agree with what you said, (as you could imagine). Wink
But I thank you for your very tempered answer.
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mrtexas
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Posted: Wed 06 Oct, 2010 5:43 pm

fred wrote:
Mark_T wrote:
Sylvain wrote:
> I'm shocked a Frenchmen would love Obama's anti-American agenda. I don't see it this way.

> Please, it benefits Europe the more we become like them.
Europe is made of very different countries.
Anyway, my words are not "Europe words". I speak in my name.
I don't agree with many things in Europe.
If I agree with what Obama does it is because I think it will be good for the majority of Americans not for Europe.

> Which is why we should ignore anything they have to say about our elections.
Indeed, my point of view is the one of someone out of the USA. It could be different if I lived in The US.

> I'm sure they would love for us to follow Spain or Greece.
There, it looks like a joke!
Don't forget that if Greece, Spain and Island (and nearly France and England) have drawn it's because of the crisis made by the US speculating economic system. Shocked

> The further we go down the drain, the less they have to worry about us competing with their economy.
This is not the way I think. I 'd love to see every man on this world happy.
Not one against the other.


this recession has been made worse and deeper by liberal economics (Keynes), liberal policies and horrible monetary policy.


This recession has been made worse by greedy corperate America / business owners!!!

fred


The recession has been made worse by Obama and the rest of the Democrats. They are making things so uncertain with an orgy of spending borrowed money, raising taxes, mountains of red tape and are so anti-business that Business is calling a strike and not investing in the economy and holding on to a mountain of cash worried the Democrats will take it away.
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mgk65
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Posted: Wed 06 Oct, 2010 7:04 pm

Greedy corporations?

How much would you pay for a computer if it were made with US union labor? Remember when computers were $3000 for a basic system?

Consumers are just as greedy, buying the cheapest goods possible over high quality. We live in a throw away society. Don't or can't fix it - buy another.

I try to buy high quality goods when it matters because they usually last longer, but sometimes can't find anything but the cheap stuff.


Another point, unemployment was 4.6% in 2007.
Today, it is greater than 9.6%
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fred
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Posted: Wed 06 Oct, 2010 8:22 pm

Millet wrote:
Fred, I think you are all alone with the "greedy business owners" theory. - Millet (830-)

Just because I "may" (my emphasis) be alone-- doesn't mean I am wrong.

The majority is always right??? I think not
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Millet
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Posted: Wed 06 Oct, 2010 11:42 pm

Fred, although I can't agree with your opinion, I agree your correct that holding a minority opinion, does not necessarily mean its always wrong. By its very nature, a majority is quite frequently right, but as you say, it is not always right. Two points for your side. -Millet (830-)
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mrtexas
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Posted: Thu 07 Oct, 2010 12:19 am

Greedy: centered on your own self interest

I believe the Russians definitely proved thru 75 years of misery that motivating people based on patriotism/politics doesn't work.

The only thing that motivates people is, yes, their own self interest.
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mrtexas
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Posted: Thu 07 Oct, 2010 12:24 am

mgk65 wrote:
Greedy corporations?

How much would you pay for a computer if it were made with US union labor? Remember when computers were $3000 for a basic system?

Consumers are just as greedy, buying the cheapest goods possible over high quality. We live in a throw away society. Don't or can't fix it - buy another.

I try to buy high quality goods when it matters because they usually last longer, but sometimes can't find anything but the cheap stuff.


Another point, unemployment was 4.6% in 2007.
Today, it is greater than 9.6%


Yes and Obama and the Democrats have done nothing for two years to lower it by encouraging prosperity. Prosperity is not encouraged by massive government spending and borrowing, anti-business crusades, higher taxes, massive growth of government and red tape. Will the Democrats ever learn? Nope I think.
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GT
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Posted: Wed 22 Dec, 2010 4:55 pm

mrtexas wrote:
Greedy: centered on your own self interest

I believe the Russians definitely proved thru 75 years of misery that motivating people based on patriotism/politics doesn't work.

The only thing that motivates people is, yes, their own self interest.

Sorry about digging up an old thread... I just could not resist.
Well, I am Russian, was born there in early 70-th, survived 80-th and 90-th. From my viewpoint, I should completely agree with everything Mrtexas said! I could pile stories after stories here... I will not. Just trust me when I say: i love Russia but you do not want to live there in 80-th and 90-th! We all must take anything necessary to prevent US becoming another socialist country, which, unfortunately we all see trends toward.
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TRI
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Posted: Thu 23 Dec, 2010 12:07 am

The greatest problem is the huge debt relative to GDP. Total debt consumer,government, and corporate is more than 3 times GDP and is the greatest threat to the economy and living standards. This is why I have owned precious metals for the past 15 years. I started buying gold and silver in the mid 1990s and adding a little in 2008 and 2009. Gold is up so much just in the last year and I cannot recommend anyone buy it now.

The US dollar is doomed long term IMHO. Keep in mind that there is no safe investment now because all asset classes are highly correlated due to leverage. If the stock market crashes again it will drag down gold and silver prices short term. Buy only when there is blood in the streets!
If you decide to buy gold wait for better prices and do not invest more than 10 to 20 percent of your money in gold. There is no sure thing investing your hard earned money. Think of gold as a hedge instead of an investment. You put a small percentage of your money in gold as a hedge not an investment. It is like buying insurance your house, likewise precious metals can be a good insurance for a possible dollar crash in the future.
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