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Blog: Science Myth of Consensus Explodes: APS Opens Global Warming Debate

Michael Asher (Blog) - July 16, 2008 9:35 PM

The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming. The APS is also sponsoring public debate on the validity of global warming science. The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming "incontrovertible."

In a posting to the APS forum, editor Jeffrey Marque explains,"There is a considerable presence within the scientific community of people who do not agree with the IPCC conclusion that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are very probably likely to be primarily responsible for global warming that has occurred since the Industrial Revolution."

The APS is opening its debate with the publication of a paper by Lord Monckton of Brenchley, which concludes that climate sensitivity -- the rate of temperature change a given amount of greenhouse gas will cause -- has been grossly overstated by IPCC modeling. A low sensitivity implies additional atmospheric CO2 will have little effect on global climate.

Larry Gould, Professor of Physics at the University of Hartford and Chairman of the New England Section of the APS, called Monckton's paper an "expose of the IPCC that details numerous exaggerations and "extensive errors"

In an email to DailyTech, Monckton says, "I was dismayed to discover that the IPCC's 2001 and 2007 reports did not devote chapters to the central 'climate sensitivity' question, and did not explain in proper, systematic detail the methods by which they evaluated it. When I began to investigate, it seemed that the IPCC was deliberately concealing and obscuring its method."

According to Monckton, there is substantial support for his results, "in the peer-reviewed literature, most articles on climate sensitivity conclude, as I have done, that climate sensitivity must be harmlessly low."

Monckton, who was the science advisor to Britain's Thatcher administration, says natural variability is the cause of most of the Earth's recent warming. "In the past 70 years the Sun was more active than at almost any other time in the past 11,400 years ... Mars, Jupiter, Neptune’s largest moon, and Pluto warmed at the same time as Earth."

Update 7/17/2008: After publication of this story, the APS responded with a statement that its Physics and Society Forum is merely one unit within the APS, and its views do not reflect those of the Society at large.

Thanks Harvey. I no longer get surprised at the amount of people that consider themselves educated, yet subscribe to these never ending "tragic" events. Every couple years it is one life threading event or another, and a percentage of the population line up proclaiming that this one is the truth. Y2K, world cooling, then global warming, over population, the Red scare and on and on and on and on. Yet another new "disaster" will be coming along in a few years, and people will become its loyal apostles proclaiming this new evil to befall mankind. Harvey, it will never stop. - Millet

Go on to believe the American propaganda that says America can go on burning the world gas!...
Notice that before they use to say: there is NO global warming.
And now they say: there IS a global warming but we are not guilty for it...

Sylvain.

Sylvain,

Do you drive an automobile? Do people in France drive around in the countryside? You are just as guilty but why do you want to point a finger at the USA? There is no reason for your offensive comments.

What about China and India??? Did you hear that Bush got the G8 participants to agree that China and India should be included in plans to reduce CO2?

For years there has been discussion of solar activity being the primary cause for global temperatures. Did you fail to hear that? This is not a new story! What is new, is that others have finally agreed to listen to it and have a debate. It seems you've got things figured out and won't let science get in the way of your "facts".

I would say an on going tragedy is all the garbage and filth that is ever increasing on our television sets, and being put in the movies and in print. The reduction of America's morals.

In answer to Sylvain charge of being guilty, I would only respond that it is impossible of being guilty of something that does not exist. (Man made global warming).

Sylvain, You are guilty of using the omnipresent and completely ubiquitous expression "they say." The most transcendent, or should I correctly say, the most obscure "non-person" in human oral expression is the one named ----- "THEY". - Millet

>You are just as guilty but why do you want to point a finger at the USA?
When I point a finger to USA it doesn't mean I think France is right!
France bet on "all nuclear" and that's even worse than the "all gas" of the USA !...
You must know that I am very different from you. For example, I don't feel as French but just as a human being on this planet.

Indeed I drive car but I don't say I will for ever, what ever appends to the rest of the world. This makes a big difference between you and me.

And when I say "they say" I speak about your citation: from Jeffrey Marque«"There is a considerable presence within the scientific community of people who do not agree with the IPCC conclusion that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are very probably likely to be primarily responsible for global warming that has occurred since the Industrial Revolution."»

An other very big difference between you and me is that, as a scientific I don't believe, I know or I don't. If I know I can speak about it. If I don't I don't speak. But I will never BELIEVE in any thing.
If I know something I am always ready to be proved that I'm wrong, and ready to change my mind.
But I am not a believer as most of peoples of this forum.

Here I feel like Millet is going to moderate me...

Silvain, 40 lashes! Just joking.

I'm sorry, but I honestly don't understand what you're saying and suspect it's due to a language barrier. I guarantee you, though, your English is much better than my French!

append??

You don't believe in anything?

Please clarify and don't write it unless you believe it, okay,

>You don't believe in anything?
No. No need.

Thanks, Philip. There is an chestnut conference in Bejing in September that I would consider going, except I'm too busy with my own chestnut harvest (Silvien, I even have a few French cultivars, but I guess you won't believe that). I don't feel so bad knowing how filthy the air will be at the time. In fact, the organizers have even pulled the meeting information from the web site and some folks are wondering if it will even happen. Much lower profile than the Olympics1

What's funny is glancing over this topic, I first thought the title was "Psychics to debate cause of global warming". It could be the theme for a hit new reality show on ABC.

Phillip

Global Warming? Huh?! What?!

Is it me OR is Northern California COLDER this year than the previous years? It's July and it definitely DOESN'T feel like summer.

My pepper plants are not growing, that's for sure. They look pathetic. Last year by this time, the plants would be loaded with pods.