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Jtoi Citruholic
Joined: 29 Dec 2005 Posts: 52 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu 14 Apr, 2011 2:52 pm |
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Has anyone been successful in planting an in ground Yuzu in zone 6? I found some for sale and was planning on planting it treating it like a fig tree, wrapping it for the winter and the like. |
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5664 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Thu 14 Apr, 2011 4:18 pm |
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I really doubt it. I am finding they are about as hardy as Satsuma. They have a lot more leaf drop from the cold than Satsumas do. _________________ Wal-Mart a great place to buy cheap plastic crap ! http://walmartwatch.com/ ...
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Thu 14 Apr, 2011 5:01 pm |
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That would be interesting, I don't know if it would be successful or not? Figs lose their leaves and become dormant during the winter months, thus can be wrapped for protection against the cold. Yuzu is an evergreen, retaining its leaves year around. A citrus tree, Yuzu included, has only one source of energy, and that source is light. - Millet (640-) |
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danero2004 Citruholic
Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Posts: 523 Location: Romania Zone 6a
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Posted: Thu 14 Apr, 2011 5:22 pm |
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Grafting on poncirus will make any difference? Millet you mean that citrus tree are not like the apple tree? so the tree can never go dormant? |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Thu 14 Apr, 2011 6:08 pm |
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danero, the metabolism of citrus is capable of slowing down, but citrus trees never go dormant. - Millet (640-) |
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5664 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Thu 14 Apr, 2011 8:20 pm |
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Mine are on flying dragon. _________________ Wal-Mart a great place to buy cheap plastic crap ! http://walmartwatch.com/ ...
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Jtoi Citruholic
Joined: 29 Dec 2005 Posts: 52 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu 14 Apr, 2011 8:35 pm |
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I cant remember where I read it but I read that once it goes to 15 degrees it looses its leaves, although your experience says more than what I know as I have never seen an actual plant of it. I think I will try it and see what happens, I may get lucky or I may just be disappointed but at least I can try. Does anyone have any tips that might help me become more successful? |
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5664 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Thu 14 Apr, 2011 11:11 pm |
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We didn't get anywhere near 15. I think the lowest we hit this past winter was 22 F. Both Yuzu lost most of their leaves, Satsumas didn't lose any... _________________ Wal-Mart a great place to buy cheap plastic crap ! http://walmartwatch.com/ ...
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danero2004 Citruholic
Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Posts: 523 Location: Romania Zone 6a
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Posted: Fri 15 Apr, 2011 6:15 am |
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Thanks Millet , but I was also asking if graftin yuzu (allready hardy enough) on a much hardier tree , for example Poncirus (The Flying Dragon - I heard some rumors about his instabillity ) wouldn't make the tree more cold resitant ? Poncirus can survive -5-10F , or at least the trees that I have ,they have survived in that winter to such low temps. |
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JackLord Citruholic
Joined: 14 May 2010 Posts: 70 Location: Washington, DC
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Posted: Fri 15 Apr, 2011 12:43 pm |
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Jtoi wrote: | I cant remember where I read it but I read that once it goes to 15 degrees it looses its leaves, although your experience says more than what I know as I have never seen an actual plant of it. I think I will try it and see what happens, I may get lucky or I may just be disappointed but at least I can try. Does anyone have any tips that might help me become more successful? |
I am contemplating putting my Yuzu in the ground here in Zone 7. I go back and forth. I have read and heard it could do fine here. Then I hear accounts from guys in the Sunbelt like Laaz and MrTexas whose Yuzus took winter damage.
In Zone 6, I would protect it with a mini greenhouse and heat source. Or try some of the 50/50 Poncirus hybrids.
Obviously, give it the best, most southerly site you have. |
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gregn Citruholic
Joined: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 236 Location: North Vancouver, BC, Canada
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Posted: Sun 17 Apr, 2011 7:54 pm |
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Laaz wrote: | We didn't get anywhere near 15. I think the lowest we hit this past winter was 22 F. Both Yuzu lost most of their leaves, Satsumas didn't lose any... |
Laaz, could it be that Yuzu has deciduous properties in "extreme" cold? Did you have twig die off or just the leaves?
By the way, there is a seller here locally, who lists the Yuzu at a zone 6 - Almost able. Though if you were to offer it extreme protection in zone 6 it should do fine.
Greg _________________ Gregn, citrus enthusiast. North Vancouver Canada. USDA zone 8. I grow In-ground citrus, Palms and bananas. Also have container citrus |
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Radoslav Moderator
Joined: 03 May 2008 Posts: 453 Location: Slovak Republic
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Posted: Thu 21 Apr, 2011 11:15 am |
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The most frequent mistake, when it comes to talk about citrus hardiness, is speak only about lowest temperatures. This is only 1 part of problem. Basic question is the kind of winter, how many days is frost temperature, sun/frost, frost +snow or just dry frost and many and many other things.
For example:
I put one citrumelo swimgle grafted on fl. dragon to the ground in zone 6. First winter: mild winter, only few days frost and minimum about minus 10 Celsius - no problems.
Second winter: few weeks of frost and non frost, day/night etc.. Min. temperature minus 17 celsius for a while. - frost demage on stem and bark, but after all, plant OK.
Third winter, min. temp. aprox. minus 12 celsius, but long time-several weeks day/night frost, mostly minus 10 celsius. - plant nearly totaly demaged. Citrumelo survived only 1 centimeter above graft union.
So, I took it out from the ground, to the pot. Citrumelo reborn from last buds in that centimeter of stem and now it grows together with other citrus trees in greenhouse.
btw I think, that citrumelo is much hardier, than yuzu. |
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JackLord Citruholic
Joined: 14 May 2010 Posts: 70 Location: Washington, DC
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Posted: Thu 21 Apr, 2011 11:29 am |
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Radoslav wrote: | The most frequent mistake, when it comes to talk about citrus hardiness, is speak only about lowest temperatures. This is only 1 part of problem. Basic question is the kind of winter, how many days is frost temperature, sun/frost, frost +snow or just dry frost and many and many other things.
For example:
I put one citrumelo swimgle grafted on fl. dragon to the ground in zone 6. First winter: mild winter, only few days frost and minimum about minus 10 Celsius - no problems.
Second winter: few weeks of frost and non frost, day/night etc.. Min. temperature minus 17 celsius for a while. - frost demage on stem and bark, but after all, plant OK.
Third winter, min. temp. aprox. minus 12 celsius, but long time-several weeks day/night frost, mostly minus 10 celsius. - plant nearly totaly demaged. Citrumelo survived only 1 centimeter above graft union.
So, I took it out from the ground, to the pot. Citrumelo reborn from last buds in that centimeter of stem and now it grows together with other citrus trees in greenhouse.
btw I think, that citrumelo is much hardier, than yuzu. |
It is as its half Poncirus. I am putting two in my garden. We will see.
Still pontificating on the Yuzu. It has set fruit, which makes a potential death sentence much more hard to bear. |
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5664 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Thu 21 Apr, 2011 12:43 pm |
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gregn wrote: |
Laaz, could it be that Yuzu has deciduous properties in "extreme" cold? Did you have twig die off or just the leaves?
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Yes both trees had some twig die back as well. Funny thing is the Sudachi didn't have any leaf drop or damage and is supposed to be about the same in hardiness. _________________ Wal-Mart a great place to buy cheap plastic crap ! http://walmartwatch.com/ ...
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Thu 21 Apr, 2011 5:42 pm |
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Radoslav, your post is certainly correct. I believe most every one on this forum, who have been a member for some time, understands the importance of the previous climate. When a person asks what the hardiness of a citrus variety is, it is usually understood what people want to know is a temperature. A temperature, gives a person a base upon which a person can make a knowledgeable decision on what they might want to do. When the survivable temperature of a cultivar is given as a number, it is of course an average temperature, and is always understood (at least by most citrus people) that it is merely a range, and depends on what the recent, past, and future climate has been and will be. - Millet (633-) |
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