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charlie23
Joined: 24 Jun 2011 Posts: 9 Location: houston, tx
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Posted: Fri 11 Nov, 2011 3:29 pm |
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what are the common or top 3 reasons that your potted citrus taste sour? Watering issue? Fertilizer issue? Soil? or... |
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citrange Site Admin
Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 590 Location: UK - 15 miles west of London
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Posted: Fri 11 Nov, 2011 3:34 pm |
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Wrong variety; picked too soon; not enough sun. |
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Karoly Citruholic
Joined: 27 Dec 2010 Posts: 231 Location: Hungary, Europe, Zone 6
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Posted: Fri 11 Nov, 2011 3:37 pm |
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Temperature and growing duration. The same problems here, to short growing period and average temps too low or too short. |
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GT Citruholic
Joined: 11 Jul 2010 Posts: 395 Location: Beaumont, TX (zone 9a)
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Posted: Sat 12 Nov, 2011 1:01 am |
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Karoly wrote: | Temperature and growing duration. The same problems here, to short growing period and average temps too low or too short. |
Karoly,
I don't think this may be applicable to Houston... I would vote on the "wrong variety" and "picked too soon" reasons. |
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5678 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Sat 12 Nov, 2011 1:23 am |
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Or young trees... _________________ Wal-Mart a great place to buy cheap plastic crap ! http://walmartwatch.com/ ...
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Karoly Citruholic
Joined: 27 Dec 2010 Posts: 231 Location: Hungary, Europe, Zone 6
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Posted: Sat 12 Nov, 2011 4:42 am |
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GT wrote: | Karoly,
I don't think this may be applicable to Houston... I would vote on the "wrong variety" and "picked too soon" reasons. |
Thanks GT, my fault, now I see it's tx=Texas! Sorry! |
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citrange Site Admin
Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 590 Location: UK - 15 miles west of London
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Posted: Sat 12 Nov, 2011 7:40 am |
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The original question did ask about "your potted citrus", so not enough sun, too low average temperatures may be relevant - if not in Texas.
It's interesting that, in my experience
Quote: | Watering issue? Fertilizer issue? Soil? |
has little effect on final taste or sweetness. These issues determine how well a tree grows, whether it flowers and sets fruit, and whether a reasonable number of fruit develop and reach maturity. Once a full size fruit is hanging on the tree, the final taste and sweetness is then - within reason - independent of these external factors. |
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GT Citruholic
Joined: 11 Jul 2010 Posts: 395 Location: Beaumont, TX (zone 9a)
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Posted: Sun 13 Nov, 2011 1:18 am |
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Citrange,
your correction is absolutely right! I just automatically assumed that Charlie tasted his own fruit grown in hou and did not like it.
Your observation about water/fertilizer is very interesting. It gives me a hope that my Navel should taste grate even if I mess up water and fertilizer. |
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MarcV Moderator
Joined: 03 Mar 2010 Posts: 1500 Location: Schoten (Antwerp), Belgium
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Posted: Sun 13 Nov, 2011 5:42 am |
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It would be a better bet to get some sour citrus varieties when not living in the right climate for sweet citus then...
Indeed, my bearss lime and meyer lemon trees produce nice tasting fruit, while the oranges on my moro tree do not taste all that great. Oddly, the oranges weren't sour. They were sweet but not the kind of sweet one would expect from an orange. The taste was rather dull when eaten. When juiced, the juice was tasteless. There was no blood coloration either.
I wonder what my star ruby grapefruit will taste like... _________________ - Marc
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citrange Site Admin
Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 590 Location: UK - 15 miles west of London
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Posted: Sun 13 Nov, 2011 7:37 am |
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Commercially, sweet citrus fruit are tested for their Brix value (actually degrees Brix). This is a measure of total soluble solids, mainly sugars. Higher Brix means a sweeter fruit; higher Brix with high acidity makes for a stronger flavoured fruit. Some regions do not permit sales of particular varieties below a certain Brix value, otherwise consumers might come to associate that variety with lack of sweetness.
In Texas, the strong summer sun should guarantee high Brix. Some of the best grapefruits are grown in Texas.
In Belgium, like here in England, I doubt you will ever grow a sweet grapefruit. Some varieties of orange (eg Trovita) do get acceptably sweet, but in general more acidic varieties will be sour; less acidic varieties will taste bland. I have given up trying to compete with Mediterranean grown shop-bought oranges.
There is an interesting article about growing sweet fruit in New Zealand - a cool citrus region. It suggests heat at the small fruit stage is important - even if this means later flowering. Full sun on the maturing fruit also raises fruit temperatures well above ambient, so improving sweetness.
This suggests my growing conditions - early spring flowering in the greenhouse, followed by a long, cool summer outside - are completely wrong for sweet fruits!
See
http://www.hortnet.co.nz/publications/science/r/richardson/mandrin.htm
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MarcV Moderator
Joined: 03 Mar 2010 Posts: 1500 Location: Schoten (Antwerp), Belgium
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Posted: Sun 13 Nov, 2011 8:52 am |
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I don't expect to grow any quality fruit either... I just want to keep dreaming!
And I don't really mind sour fruit, but I don't like bland at all. Oranges that are currently on the market here aren't any good either, they really have a bland taste. I'm eagerly awaiting the new citrus season! _________________ - Marc
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rasputinj
Joined: 23 Feb 2010 Posts: 3 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Tue 06 Dec, 2011 4:52 am |
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As others have said young tree, leave fruit on tree longer and more sun. I also cut down on water as it gets closer to picking fruit. _________________ rasputinj
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Tue 06 Dec, 2011 1:03 pm |
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Young citrus trees normally do not produces quality fruit until the tree reaches at least 5-6 years of age. After that the fruit generally improves each year. A 20 to 25 year old tree produces its best tasting fruit. . Millet (-405-) |
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