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jrb
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Posted: Mon 10 Jan, 2011 11:57 pm

citrusCharlie wrote:
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It appears by your post that you are familiar with Sour Orange. Does the name Flathead Seville ring with you as a rootstock? I think Flat seville I have seen. I am hearing that Flathead Seville produces citrus with great flavor. Have you heard that
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Charlie,

I am not that familiar with sour orange cultivars or any other citrus cultivars for that matter. I have no citrus expertise of any kind and I can only repeat what I have read here on this forum or on other citrus sites on the web. The only similarly named cultivar I can think of is Smooth Flat Seville which I vaguely remember as being an Australian cultivar. I just did a search on Flathead Seville and I came up with nothing. I assume you did the same. The best English language cultivar lists with descriptions I know of are at

http://www.citrusvariety.ucr.edu/

and

http://users.kymp.net/citruspages/home.html

You are probably already familiar with these two sites.

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Posted: Sun 16 Jan, 2011 2:00 pm

Mark_T wrote:
For those of you that have ordered budwood from the CCPP in the past, what sort of varieties are in the Foundation Budwood section that's been unavailable for over a year now? Anyone know why it's unavailable?


They found tristezia in the Foundation block. Only screen house budwood is available.
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Posted: Sun 16 Jan, 2011 2:01 pm

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The fruit from satsumas I grow have seeds sometimes more than 10 seeds in one satsuma fruit. Very few of the satsumas have no seeds.


I have found this to be a problem with Owari satsuma. The newer varieties have many fewer seeds.
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Posted: Sun 16 Jan, 2011 5:13 pm

There are quite a few trees in the screen house, of many different varieties, but they are a lot smaller then the trees in the foundation block. This is because all of the screen house trees are grown in containers. (729-)
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Posted: Sun 16 Jan, 2011 5:36 pm

Are there more varieties offered through the Foundation that you can't get in the Screenhouse selections?
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Posted: Sun 16 Jan, 2011 7:26 pm

I wish I had read this thread a couple of days ago. I went to Lindcove for a tasting yesterday and wasn't very well prepared what to expect since it was my first visit there. I went with friends and had to leave at 5:30am to get there by 10:00. I wish I had a map beforehand so I could have planned my tasting. I've never had Xie Shan before and Millet's comments makes me want to kick myself for not getting a chance to taste it yesterday. I see on the map now that it's on the far end of the block and I didn't make it close to those trees before the 60-90 minute tasting time allotted us was up.

I did not submit a budwood request for the latest cutting as I figured I'd wait until June when I can have stock in active growth. I had not seen or heard of USDA 15-150 before but did taste it yesterday and have one fruit next to me right now. Smile I think it's a good fruit but the most impressive thing about it is it's size. It is 3.5" in diameter, 3" tall, and weighs 0.58 pounds. All of the fruits on the two trees were about this size. I had tried to find information about it online but could not find anything and wondered if http://www.citrusvariety.ucr.edu/citrus/usda_6-15-150.html was the same thing. I was thinking I might like to grow it for sales to a local fruit stand. It's an attractive fruit and it's large size should make it very marketable, though many consumers might confuse it as being a smallish orange.

Although well past it's prime (and slim pickings), I enjoyed the rich flavor of Dobashi Beni which I've previously enjoyed at Gene Lester's. It's a small fruit that peels very easy with flesh that is dark orange.

I also enjoyed SRA-63 and USDA 88-2, Imperial, and others. I've previously liked the Corsicas at Gene's but didn't make it to them yesterday.

I have a really hard time keeping track of these and think I need to do run an audio recorder while dashing about to really make better notes. Maybe I can drag my wife along and have her take notes.

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Posted: Tue 25 Jan, 2011 2:08 am

My budwood from UCR is scheduled to arrive tomorrow. I have Ponkan, Midnight Valencia, and Seedless Kishu in this shipment. Since I moved in, I've successfully topworked my trees into meyer lemon, page mandarin, indio mandaranquat, minola tangelo, Tarroco blood orange, USDA 88-2 mandarin, Austrailian finger limes, and Cara Cara navels.

My kids are eating me out of house and home, so I'm hoping that I can start sending them outside for snacks instead of the pantry. Eventually, with 100+ trees left to topwork, when they get old enough I'm hoping they will have enough of a supply to sell at the farmers market for their first job (assuming the Asian Citrus Phyllid doesn't spread greening throughout my groves).

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Posted: Tue 25 Jan, 2011 9:41 pm

dauben wrote:
My budwood from UCR is scheduled to arrive tomorrow. I have Ponkan, Midnight Valencia, and Seedless Kishu in this shipment. Since I moved in, I've successfully topworked my trees into meyer lemon, page mandarin, indio mandaranquat, minola tangelo, Tarroco blood orange, USDA 88-2 mandarin, Austrailian finger limes, and Cara Cara navels.

My kids are eating me out of house and home, so I'm hoping that I can start sending them outside for snacks instead of the pantry. Eventually, with 100+ trees left to topwork, when they get old enough I'm hoping they will have enough of a supply to sell at the farmers market for their first job (assuming the Asian Citrus Phyllid doesn't spread greening throughout my groves).

Phillip


How do you like the 88-2? Early?
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Posted: Tue 25 Jan, 2011 11:37 pm

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How do you like the 88-2? Early?


I don't know. 'Haven't had any fruit yet. Of all the trees the USDA 88-2 seems to be the least vigorous on the 4 trees I grafted onto. Could be a coincidence, but my two page mandarins and meyer lemon have already produced fruit. All of the others were grafted more recently, but Cara Cara has done well and my tangelos buds are breaking also. My Gold Nugget grafts never seemed to survive so it's taken multiple attempts. 'Could be me.

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Posted: Sun 27 Feb, 2011 2:15 am

If you eat citrus fruits high in acid you could end up with dental erosion mouth pain and acid reflux disease!

I asked my dentist about this - he thinks its very unlikely. you would have to eat lots and lots of lemons and limes continuously for a long time (years) before there would be any noticeable effect.

Just the messenger - Greg

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Posted: Sat 01 Oct, 2011 5:58 am

As a dental hygienist, I second that. You, in fact, would have to be sucking on lemons, a few a day, everyday, to establish issues. That being said, in some cultures it is very common to do so...starting in childhood. It is our practice to educate those patients, particularly, on the risks...
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Posted: Mon 21 Nov, 2011 4:35 am

Has anyone here in California who ordered CCPP budwood had it inspected by the Agricultural Commissioner's office? When I received budwood last June I grafted some right away as I was leaving for a camping trip the following day. The next week I noticed the paperwork sent with it indicated it needed to be inspected and cleared. I don't remember if prior orders included this requirement or not but I figured I better contact my local (15 miles away) field office for the county and ask them about it. They wanted me to bring all of the budwood to be inspected. They know me pretty well already and I explained that most of it had been grafted already and the plants were too delicate to be transporting. They contacted folks higher up and they cleared it over the phone but told me I better bring it in next time. I believe the paperwork showed that a copy of the paperwork had been sent to my Agricultural Commissioner (it's been almost six months now so I'm not certain about that), so I had figured I better contact them before they contact me. Seems pretty unnecessary since I can't imagine them ever spotting anything on CCPP budwood.

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Posted: Mon 21 Nov, 2011 12:58 pm

Harvey, personally if the Agricultural Commissioner's office wanted to inspect budwood that I received from the CCPP, I would tell the commissioners that would certainly be OK with me, but they would have to come to my place and do their inspections. After all, it is not me that desires the inspection, it is the Ag. Commissioners that desires the inspection. - Millet (430-)
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Posted: Tue 22 Nov, 2011 1:38 pm

You're required to comply with laws. Here in CA they require inspections and they will charge one price to inspect items if you bring them to their office and a much higher price if they come to your place. I've only had to go their for phytosanitary certificates in the past for small shipments of scionwood. In CA each county has it's own Agricultural Commissioner's office which can decide on the fee schedule and my county is one of the most favorable (I can get 6 phytos for $30, San Diego charges something like $35 for each one).

I doubt Colorado would have any regulations regarding the importation of citrus scionwood since there is no citrus industry to protect. But CA certainly does and I would have thought others may have been contacted if they did not have the budwood inspected.

Wherever there is a potential problem folks try to create a new law. I learned of another law last month when three of my chestnut shipments had "shipment rejection" notices from an inspection team in a nearby county whose dog discovered my chestnuts. I've shipped thousands of these packages but inspections have been stepped up due to funding through a new USDA program started last March (where did they find the money for that???). Even though my packages say "Correia Chestnut Farm" and perishable, they had to open to find out what was in there but first had to contact my customers to get permission to open them. Fortunately, they went ahead and forwarded them after inspecting and then sent me the notices. I read the cited regulations and spoke with the inspector and my mailing labels now include the statement "Contains chestnuts grown in Sacramento County, OK to inspect".

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Posted: Tue 22 Nov, 2011 4:45 pm

Harvey, California has more citizen unfriendly regulations, and laws stacked upon laws, than any state in the USA. Plus California's senators and most of their congressmen are among the most liberal in the country. . -Millet (360-)
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