would you consider collecting antique cultivars if they were more common on the market?
yes
75%
[ 12 ]
no
25%
[ 4 ]
Total Votes : 16
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hcoggan
Joined: 21 May 2013 Posts: 12 Location: Fresno California
Posted: Tue 21 May, 2013 7:50 pm
Does anyone collect antique citrus? I would love to get my hands on some "Biondo Comune". I think it is important to remember where the new varieties came from and not let the old ones go extinct. Also the fact that people hundreds of years ago had the same exact fruit is pretty cool.
Joined: 25 Oct 2010 Posts: 970 Location: Vista, California USA
Posted: Wed 22 May, 2013 11:23 pm
I'd love to grow antique citrus cultivars, but they're really hard to find. The most "antique" variety I have is a Washington Navel. And, all budwood here in the state of California actually can be traced directly back to the original Navel orange tree still growing in Riverside. So, that's my only "antique" cultivar. Wouldn't mind finding more, but good luck with that. Very tough.
Joined: 21 May 2013 Posts: 12 Location: Fresno California
Posted: Thu 23 May, 2013 12:12 am
hoosierquilt wrote:
I'd love to grow antique citrus cultivars, but they're really hard to find. The most "antique" variety I have is a Washington Navel. And, all budwood here in the state of California actually can be traced directly back to the original Navel orange tree still growing in Riverside. So, that's my only "antique" cultivar. Wouldn't mind finding more, but good luck with that. Very tough.
Im sure there must be members in the forum collecting antique cultivars, maybe they will share there wisdom and help a brother out?
BTW the reason im using the word antique is because thats what old apples cultivars that are no longer in production and are just grown for enthusiasts
Joined: 25 Oct 2010 Posts: 970 Location: Vista, California USA
Posted: Thu 23 May, 2013 12:51 am
Well, due to all the serious restrictions with regard to citrus, it's very difficult to share with other forum members, as our members are from all over the world. California will not allow any citrus to be shipped into the state at all, so I'd have to find someone from within the state, and not in the Los Angeles/Orange County area, where they are under quarantine, still. Frankly, the CDFA doesn't really want any non-inspected citrus moving anywhere in the state. So, pretty tough to do.
Joined: 26 Sep 2012 Posts: 22 Location: West Redding, California
Posted: Thu 23 May, 2013 2:39 am
In these parts, we have the Mother Orange Tree in Oroville, supposedly planted in 1856, and transplanted a time or two since. That would make it older than the Washington Navel in Riverside. Interestingly, Oroville had an early citrus and avocado industry despite the frost risk in the Sacramento Valley. I have not yet visited the mother orange tree but would sure like to grow a clone at some point in the future. Very significant for California citrus history buffs.
Joined: 21 May 2013 Posts: 12 Location: Fresno California
Posted: Thu 23 May, 2013 3:08 am
hoosierquilt wrote:
Well, due to all the serious restrictions with regard to citrus, it's very difficult to share with other forum members, as our members are from all over the world. California will not allow any citrus to be shipped into the state at all, so I'd have to find someone from within the state, and not in the Los Angeles/Orange County area, where they are under quarantine, still. Frankly, the CDFA doesn't really want any non-inspected citrus moving anywhere in the state. So, pretty tough to do.
I see how it would be hard to do legally, however im not really sure who enforces these laws and how anyone would know if I had broken any? Thankfully California is a big state and riverside has released a plethora of varieties. All im saying if there is a will there is a way. The only factor is risk. For example if I could find someone to give me a rare cultivar in Colorado all i would have to do is drive there and bring it back. No one would be the wiser. Its impossible for someone like me to get the plants I want because of all the restrictions , its just an obstacle we have to endure
Joined: 21 May 2013 Posts: 12 Location: Fresno California
Posted: Thu 23 May, 2013 3:15 am
CampoCalle wrote:
In these parts, we have the Mother Orange Tree in Oroville, supposedly planted in 1856, and transplanted a time or two since. That would make it older than the Washington Navel in Riverside. Interestingly, Oroville had an early citrus and avocado industry despite the frost risk in the Sacramento Valley. I have not yet visited the mother orange tree but would sure like to grow a clone at some point in the future. Very significant for California citrus history buffs.
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5668 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
Posted: Thu 23 May, 2013 9:27 am
hcoggan wrote:
hoosierquilt wrote:
Well, due to all the serious restrictions with regard to citrus, it's very difficult to share with other forum members, as our members are from all over the world. California will not allow any citrus to be shipped into the state at all, so I'd have to find someone from within the state, and not in the Los Angeles/Orange County area, where they are under quarantine, still. Frankly, the CDFA doesn't really want any non-inspected citrus moving anywhere in the state. So, pretty tough to do.
I see how it would be hard to do legally, however im not really sure who enforces these laws and how anyone would know if I had broken any? Thankfully California is a big state and riverside has released a plethora of varieties. All im saying if there is a will there is a way. The only factor is risk. For example if I could find someone to give me a rare cultivar in Colorado all i would have to do is drive there and bring it back. No one would be the wiser. Its impossible for someone like me to get the plants I want because of all the restrictions , its just an obstacle we have to endure
These rules & regulations are in effect to prevent the spread of disease... I would think twice if I were you.
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To date, Florida has lost over 4.5 BILLION dollars and thousands and thousands of jobs over HLB. It has devastated Florida's commercial citrus crop, and within the next 3 years, researchers predict that100% of the citrus trees in the state of Florida will be infected with HLB, if the infection rate continues on the path predicted. There is no cure. A tree with HLB will die within 5 years, and the fruit it produces is inedible. We are FRANTICALLY trying to keep HLB out of California. We had one "well meaning" person here in Los Angeles county do basically what you're talking about doing - grafted some pummelo budwood to one of his neighbor's tree, so he could give his neighbor an unusual pummelo variety to enjoy. Unfortunately, he also gave that neighbor HLB.
Would the authorities know? Well, the USDA, CDFA and UC Riverside all lurk on this and many other citrus related forums, hcoggan. They look for posts like yours with a cavalier attitude. We have had forum members, in ignorance or as unsuspecting victims of illegal citrus activity get a rather nasty knock on the door from an ag agent who has then confiscated their citrus. They also have the right to confiscate/cut down ALL your citrus trees if they deem they are a risk to our agriculture. This is serious business. One of the control methods on the table here in California, if HLB is discovered, is the removal of all homeowners' citrus trees in order to save the commercial industry. This is being seriously entertained, so don't poo poo this, I have heard this possible containment option discussed directly from Ag Agents and those on the committee, as well as directly from Dr. Dobbs, Professor Emeritus UC Riverside, who has been much involved with the research around HLB (many of the leading researchers are his past grad students, including Dr. Erik Mirkov at Texas A&M).
Those of us on this forum are very, very aware of the "race for a cure" for HLB, and especially those of us in California. I have over 80 citrus trees on my property, all legally acquired and at great investment to me. I would not be happy with someone like yourself who might threaten my citrus. So, I would encourage you to become better educated, and more responsible in your desire to acquire citrus cultivars. You can buy clean budwood directly from the UC CCPP program, and purchase clean and certified rootstock from several sources here in California to produce lots of interesting cultivars. Please do so in an intelligent and legal manner. Much is at stake here in California, and those of us citrus hobbyists have an obligation to set the example for others.
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
Posted: Thu 23 May, 2013 5:28 pm
I have received telephone calls from UCR Riverside, and other authorities, asking for information concerning members who have written posts, that the authorities have deemed that might lead to illegal activity, or for information about members that they might wish to talk to. As a caution to the membership, the USDA and others watch this forum. - Millet
To date, Florida has lost over 4.5 BILLION dollars and thousands and thousands of jobs over HLB. It has devastated Florida's commercial citrus crop, and within the next 3 years, researchers predict that100% of the citrus trees in the state of Florida will be infected with HLB, if the infection rate continues on the path predicted. There is no cure. A tree with HLB will die within 5 years, and the fruit it produces is inedible. We are FRANTICALLY trying to keep HLB out of California. We had one "well meaning" person here in Los Angeles county do basically what you're talking about doing - grafted some pummelo budwood to one of his neighbor's tree, so he could give his neighbor an unusual pummelo variety to enjoy. Unfortunately, he also gave that neighbor HLB.
Would the authorities know? Well, the USDA, CDFA and UC Riverside all lurk on this and many other citrus related forums, hcoggan. They look for posts like yours with a cavalier attitude. We have had forum members, in ignorance or as unsuspecting victims of illegal citrus activity get a rather nasty knock on the door from an ag agent who has then confiscated their citrus. They also have the right to confiscate/cut down ALL your citrus trees if they deem they are a risk to our agriculture. This is serious business. One of the control methods on the table here in California, if HLB is discovered, is the removal of all homeowners' citrus trees in order to save the commercial industry. This is being seriously entertained, so don't poo poo this, I have heard this possible containment option discussed directly from Ag Agents and those on the committee, as well as directly from Dr. Dobbs, Professor Emeritus UC Riverside, who has been much involved with the research around HLB (many of the leading researchers are his past grad students, including Dr. Erik Mirkov at Texas A&M).
Those of us on this forum are very, very aware of the "race for a cure" for HLB, and especially those of us in California. I have over 80 citrus trees on my property, all legally acquired and at great investment to me. I would not be happy with someone like yourself who might threaten my citrus. So, I would encourage you to become better educated, and more responsible in your desire to acquire citrus cultivars. You can buy clean budwood directly from the UC CCPP program, and purchase clean and certified rootstock from several sources here in California to produce lots of interesting cultivars. Please do so in an intelligent and legal manner. Much is at stake here in California, and those of us citrus hobbyists have an obligation to set the example for others.
Wow, hoosierquilt I had no idea it was such a problem. Thank you and the other members for educating me on how real this threat is. Now that i understand the urgency of the situation, I will be sure to only acquire citrus in a legal manor. It would be very irresponsible for someone like me to bring in a possibly infected tree and risk potently not only hoosierquilts citrus but the entire states industry.
So my next question is ; How can I get legal citrus that is uninfected. Is riverside the only place where I can get the budwood i desire.
How would I even go about getting budwood from riverside?
