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dauben · Posted: Mon 18 Jan, 2010 1:18 am

Anyone interested in signing a petition against cap and trade as well as a number of videos refuting global warming, this is a good website:
http://allpainnogain.cfact.org/

Phillip

Millet · Posted: Mon 18 Jan, 2010 1:23 am

A better name is cap and tax. - Millet (1,093-)

dauben · Posted: Mon 18 Jan, 2010 1:31 am

Millet wrote:

A better name is cap and tax. - Millet (1,093-)

Or cap and confiscate.

Phillip

turtleman · Posted: Mon 18 Jan, 2010 1:39 pm

Has anyone ever had any real experience with signing a petition that Government actually paid attention to?...
If Government wants it their going to do it, regardless of want any citizen wants.. those people don't care about you....
Sit down shut up and send them more taxes....

dauben · Posted: Mon 18 Jan, 2010 3:21 pm

turtleman wrote:

Has anyone ever had any real experience with signing a petition that Government actually paid attention to?...

Probably not, but there are two problems with the government (ie "you and I"): 1) The left has taken over as the mouth piece for the nation and is feeding us garbage that goes unchallenged by us and the media. 2) Those who know better don't bother to challenge their proposals because we're too busy working and raising our families. Petitions are something that can be pointed to when the left make claims that "there's an overwhelming consensus" when in reality there's 31,486 American scientists who believe global warming is a farce. A number that was obtained by scientists who signed a petition. Hardly an "overwhelming consensus".

Phillip

morphinelover · Posted: Mon 18 Jan, 2010 6:49 pm

dauben wrote:

turtleman wrote:

Has anyone ever had any real experience with signing a petition that Government actually paid attention to?...

Probably not, but there are two problems with the government (ie "you and I"): 1) The left has taken over as the mouth piece for the nation and is feeding us garbage that goes unchallenged by us and the media. 2) Those who know better don't bother to challenge their proposals because we're too busy working and raising our families. Petitions are something that can be pointed to when the left make claims that "there's an overwhelming consensus" when in reality there's 31,486 American scientists who believe global warming is a farce. A number that was obtained by scientists who signed a petition. Hardly an "overwhelming consensus".

Phillip

Saying that there are 31,486 scientists that don't believe that there is global warming is so far from the truth. The scientists are not saying there isn't global warming, in fact they are saying the climate is getting hotter and hotter. There conclusion is that they don't know the cause of global warming or that it is being caused by natural causes. Also, for every one scientist on that list there are many more that do believe it is cause by the billions of tons of CO2 that is being released by burning of fossil fuels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming

David. · Posted: Mon 18 Jan, 2010 7:35 pm

Don't trust a source where the normal public can edit like wikepdia. That is the worst place you will be able to find correct and reliable source for scientific studies or findings

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morphinelover · Posted: Mon 18 Jan, 2010 9:39 pm

David. wrote:

Don't trust a source where the normal public can edit like wikepdia. That is the worst place you will be able to find correct and reliable source for scientific studies or findings

Your wrong on that. Wikipedia goes through checks and balances that makes sure things like that are kept to a minimum. Besides that, if you will look beside the quotes that these scientists made there will be numbers which will give you a way to look up there original quotes in there original publications on the bottom. If you can see any where there was someone quoted on what they said and it is different than what was said on the original document then I would be very, very surprised and that needs to be reported to Wikipedia. Look at the bottom where it says "references". Wikipedia doesn't make the news they just report it.

morphinelover · Posted: Mon 18 Jan, 2010 9:44 pm

So, you want to use these scientists to back up your claims until it is brought forth what they really said? These scientists are the ones Dauben was saying signed the sheet disputing global warming. That they did but the whole story wasn't told by Dauben. The whole story is that they did sign disputing global warming but is wasn't because they thought that global warming was a "farce", it was because they thought that the global warming was caused by things other than people or that they weren't sure what was causing the rapid rise in temperature.

morphinelover · Posted: Mon 18 Jan, 2010 9:57 pm

Millet wrote:

Wikepdia is certainly a very poor and unreliable proof source. Further,
much of the "science" that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), was proclaiming was based on the now disgraced climate center at the University of East Anglia in the UK, who were caught covering up findings that did not agree with their model, and then supplying false findings in order to "substantiate" what they could not prove. They are a disgrace to scientists everywhere. Global warming perhaps, man made global warming NOT. - Millet (1,092-)

You keep saying that all these people are trying to cover up findings but did you ever think to look if the other side was doing a little of there own covering up. Probably not but these people did, look what they found. http://www.ipygaps.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/scientists-offered-cash-to-dispute-climate-study.pdf
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/feb/02/frontpagenews.climatechange
http://www.grist.org/article/Buried-in-the-Bush/
http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=994

dauben · Posted: Mon 18 Jan, 2010 11:04 pm

For some reason BBC code is made my post blank. Here it is with BBC Code disabled:

[quote]Saying that there are 31,486 scientists that don't believe that there is global warming is so far from the truth.[/quote]

And this statement is based on what? Have you spoken to all 31,486 scientists that signed the petition project? But for the sake of argument, this is the one time I didn't put "anthropogenic" in front of global warming. At this point it should be implied. Yes, the earth gets warmer, then gets colder. It's the way it has always been since creation. The earth used to be much warmer than it is today.

[quote]The scientists are not saying there isn't global warming, in fact they are saying the climate is getting hotter and hotter. [/quote]

I wouldn't have argued this in the past, but I'll argue it now and digress to the link provided earlier: [quote]http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/[/quote] I also assume you didn't go to the link in my initial post or you would have seen scientists arguing that we're currently seeing GLOBAL COOLING.

[quote]There conclusion is that they don't know the cause of global warming or that it is being caused by natural causes. Also, for every one scientist on that list there are many more that do believe it is cause by the billions of tons of CO2 that is being released by burning of fossil fuels.[/quote]
If we're going by numbers, my 31,486 scientists trump the ones on your list. All of which have signed the petition that there is NO scientific evidince that carbon dioxide, methane, etc will cause catastrophic heating of the earth's atmosphere. [url]http://www.petitionproject.com/index.php [/url]

Face it Morphinelover, you want to believe in global warming like kids want to believe in Santa Clause. You need a cause to believe in and justify even when the facts don't support your theory.

In trying to figure out why liberals believe the things they do, I've gone from believing that they've been turned over to reprobate minds, to believing that they just need to have a cause to believe in. There's nothing wrong with having a cause, but just make sure you have one that is based on fact and not fiction.

Phillip

David. · Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2010 3:46 am

Lol it was getting to be alittle idiotic to respond.
How did the chili fair millet

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morphinelover · Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2010 4:20 am

http://www.nasa.gov/worldbook/global_warming_worldbook.html
http://climate.nasa.gov/

morphinelover · Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2010 10:43 am

You replying to my posts is no concern of mine but what is my concern is you erasing peoples posts just because they disagree with what you believe. I don't make up anything out of thin air and back up all that I say with a shortcut to the original documents or websites. I have just as much right to defend my opinions just like everyone else on here and haven't broken any rules while doing so.

Millet · Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2010 11:16 am

My Bhut Jolokia (the world's hottest Chili pepper) must now have 40 or 50 chilies on it at this time. However, after everyone ate one, they did not want any more. They said it was just to hot to eat - Millet (1,091-)