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citrusboy
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Posted: Wed 24 May, 2006 2:28 pm

I am wondering what is the best way to graft a bud onto an existing grafted dwarf citrus.

For Example: I have a Dwarf Kaffir Lime from Four Winds that is on Cuban Shaddock rootstock (Yep. That is actually what they use). I want to bud a Marrakech Limetta onto this, but unsure if I should graft below the original graft (Directly to Cuban Shaddock) or above (Directly to the Kaffir Lime which is Grafted to the Cuban Shaddock).

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

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Posted: Wed 24 May, 2006 2:55 pm

citrusboy wrote:
...Cuban Shaddock rootstock (Yep. That is actually what they use).
OT...Do you know if they (Four Winds) use this rootstock for all their dwarf trees?

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Posted: Wed 24 May, 2006 3:17 pm

No, just the kaffir, yuzu & one of their lemons
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Posted: Wed 24 May, 2006 3:39 pm

I am wondering that too. One of this days I'm going to experiment and graft below the graft line.
As far as I know noone has done that here. It is almost always above the graft line. And I went to extreme- I graft at the tip of the branch(es).
Benny

I also believe that it can be done but then you are cutting half of the nutrients for the other half. Or if that is not the dominant ,3/4? 1/8?
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Posted: Wed 24 May, 2006 3:57 pm

bencelest wrote:
I am wondering that too. One of this days I'm going to experiment and graft below the graft line.
As far as I know noone has done that here. It is almost always above the graft line. And I went to extreme- I graft at the tip of the branch(es).
Benny


Benny,

About 20 cultivars from my 45-n-1 citrus tree are connected to sprout below the budline. Half of the cultivars of my blood tree were also grafted below the original graft line.

I also do the same for stone and pome fruits. I even eagerly await those water sprouts below the graft line as the resulting grafts can easily catch up with the other cultivars. Then I control the growth by grafting others unto the most vigorous ones.

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Posted: Wed 24 May, 2006 4:04 pm

Joe:
Ahhh! my mistake. I meant to say to graft either T-bud or Majorcan graft to the main root stock and not to a rootstock branch. Yes I did graft to the rootstock branch also. Infact, the trifoliate you gave me has 3 branches growth and I grafted on each branch.
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Posted: Wed 24 May, 2006 4:13 pm

I also noticed that if you exposed the top of the roots (1/4") to the air, you encourage sprouts of the rootstock to take place. That's what I am doing to my liner that I just bought.
On top of my list also is to buy a Lisbon liner so I can graft more citrus on them.
Is that too early for our CRFG scion distribution? When by the way?
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Posted: Wed 24 May, 2006 4:26 pm

Benny, the CRFG scionwood exchange is about the 2nd Saturday of January for dormant scionwood of non-citruses.
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Posted: Wed 24 May, 2006 11:22 pm

For the least lopsided tree, I suggest budding on the top of the tree. Grow how many branches you want of the lower variety and then bud the second. The buds will also force much easier. Buds too low might be very slow to bud or not at all.

I've just budded minneola tangelo to the top of my large ujukitsu sweet lemon tree.

My lopsided sunquat(rootstock and a few low thorny branches), changsha kumquat top, and fairchild mandarin side tree.

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Posted: Wed 24 May, 2006 11:34 pm

Thanks for all the help! I will be a grafting fool as soon as my budwood from UCR gets here...
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Posted: Fri 26 May, 2006 9:23 am

Ahh, I just got my Lisbon in a 5 gallon can at Home Depot. Very large trunk and very tall and green by 4 Winds.
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Posted: Fri 26 May, 2006 11:46 am

Lisbon. Supposedly quite tasty for cooking and drinks. My Eureka is good for cooking, OK for drinks. Waiting on my Meyer to ripen right now. Enjoy that Lemon tree!
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Posted: Fri 26 May, 2006 12:58 pm

Good. But that is just a bonus.
The reason why I bought it is it is an excellent host for many mandarins as JoeReal profess. He garfted as many 20 citrus varieties on one Lisbon plant.
It welcomes oranges and mandarins easily on its canopy.
I wonder if it is good also for pomelos.
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Posted: Fri 26 May, 2006 1:01 pm

Mr. Texas.
Thank you for that excellent info.
I am
saving it for future reference.

PS:
I just did one Majorcan graft of a Pixie Mandarin to a lisbon lemon on top of the canopy one of the most active branch on 5 26 06.
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