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Tropheus76
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Posted: Wed 27 Feb, 2013 4:21 pm

Ok, I lied, its Citrus and "other" in ground tree irrigation although the majority is citrus. Having 30+ trees at this point and another 50+ planned(alot of those will be drip sprinklers for olives) I think my current method of manually watering them is going to get old quickly so I laid out a watering pipe plan into the existing lawn irrigation system which goes all over the yard(previous owner used it to keep dust down when riding ATVs) so the main equipment and part of the piping is already in place. Thing is what kind of sprayer? I have looked at home depot and thier selection(which remarkebly looks identical to Lowes) and I dont know whether I should get a wide sprayer for each tree or one of those mushroom water dispensers at each tree in the bowl where I planted it. Not trying to spray the whole yard but I want to make sure the root system gets it and spreads out accordingly.

What do you guys use?
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Hershell
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Posted: Wed 27 Feb, 2013 7:23 pm

I use 3/4 inch irrigation tubing and burry it between trees and let it come out of the dirt under the tree then I punch a small hole in the tube so the water sprays straight up. This is simple and cheap, it is my freeze protection and my irrigation. There are no drip tubes to freeze and no sprayers to brake or need to be replaced. I install irrigation systems in the greenhouses I contract to build and have access to all of the parts but prefer to do it the simple way. The wind does blow the spray so it covers a fairly large area and depending on pressure and the size of the hole you punch will determine the coverage. I currently have 4 zones and close to 100 trees with this type irrigation. I use Netafim tubing.

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Tropheus76
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Posted: Thu 28 Feb, 2013 10:38 am

Hmm interesting idea, I will look into this. Typically I am less worried about freezing equipment but now that I said that I need to plan for a March mega-freeze since I just jinxed myself. I wonder how that will work with hard piping, guess I would need some kind of connector piece and end cap.
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Posted: Mon 04 Mar, 2013 5:15 pm

best and cheapest are drip tubes and fittings.
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Darkman
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Posted: Tue 05 Mar, 2013 11:53 am

Hershell wrote:
I use 3/4 inch irrigation tubing and burry it between trees and let it come out of the dirt under the tree then I punch a small hole in the tube so the water sprays straight up. This is simple and cheap, it is my freeze protection and my irrigation. There are no drip tubes to freeze and no sprayers to brake or need to be replaced.


Hershell is your ground GA clay or sand or?????

I could see that working with a clay type of soil but the sandy FL soil has almost no lateral water distribution. It is all verticle.

That creates a second issue for us. All of our nutrients will quickly wash through the root zone if we over water. Do you know how much water you are applying? It sounds like you have a particular size hole you're punching. Does the hole produce a repeatable pattern or does it vary?

This topic is timely for me as I am finally, after talking about it for two years, ready to lay my lines down for my irrigation. The well is in and we are ready to put in the pipes.

Unfortunately I am no closer to deciding what sprayers and how many to run. I will not use drip on the citrus. That is the only thing I am sure of.

My current thinking may be to water several times a day sparingly. I would appreciate everyone explaining the lunacy of this plan before I do it. Seriously, the more I read the more confusing it gets. If I search long enough I'm sure I'll find a somewhat reputable source advocating irrigating with rain water collected by Fairys and only on Thursday following a full moon. At least the freeze protection is simple. I've even looked into the water sensors that you bury in the soil and they decide when to water. That is the most sensible plan I've seen.

I had the misfortune of having to remove a two year old citrus and know that the roots extend well beyond the canopy. This makes me want to water the entire area with overhead just like mother nature does.

I also have young Muscadine rows in between my citrus and as the citrus canopy allows, I plant vegetables between rows too.

I also have about fifty blueberries that I will be irrigating. These will probably get long drip lines of some sort flanking each side of the rows. The difference is I have been mulching this area (50'x50') with up to 8" of oak tree leaves every year for about a decade so the soil is very enriched and water will move laterally through it and it will hold the water well.

Hershell wrote:
I currently have 4 zones and close to 100 trees with this type irrigation.


Is the need for 4 zones just a function of your supply volume and pressure?


Hershell wrote:
I use Netafim tubing.


Is that something that I might want to use with the blueberries?

Does it have the prepunched drippers built in?

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Hershell
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Posted: Tue 05 Mar, 2013 9:54 pm

My soil is sandy loam with good drainage but not as sandy as yours. The reason I have so many zones is they are on different locations but all near my house and on the same 5 hp deep well pump. The holes in the tubing are not uniform, I grind a razor knife blade to a long sharp flat nail looking point and I can adjust the amount of water and the angle of spray if I don't mind getting wet in the process. As the trees get larger I can increase the volume by making the hole larger for the trees that need it. I will PM my number if you have any questions.

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Tom
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Posted: Wed 06 Mar, 2013 1:52 am

Most people are getting away from overhead irrigation because of the spread of disease. Where I have been using drip there is notably less weeds between trees or plants where there is no water. On tomatoes and such there seems to be a lot less disease. I certainly agree to use overhead sprinklers for freeze protection. In some places the micro misters are necessary to wet a larger footprint. A friend of mine is changing his micro misters to drip because he had too much disease on the bottom of his dwarf citrus trees. I think he will need more drippers to get more ground covered. The bottom branches were loaded. Tom

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Darkman
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Posted: Wed 06 Mar, 2013 10:11 pm

I agree that the overhead watering is the least desirable.

My problem is that the majority of the square footage in my young grove is dedicated to vegetables that change from season to season and with crop rotation. It kinda makes it easy to go overhead. As the grove matures trees get larger and I get
old(er) I will have less space to grow the vegetables in and less need for overhead irrigation. With that in mind I may set up three zones. One for the muscadines, one for the citrus and overhead just in the vegetable growing areas.

I really think that I am way ovethinking this as I know that eventually the citrus and muscadine roots will be shaking hands.

Hershell I appreciate the PM and will take you up on the call.

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