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jrb Citruholic
Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 165 Location: Idaho Falls, ID zone 4A
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Posted: Thu 10 Sep, 2009 12:58 pm |
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This is really interesting. How did the green spread in the albino plant? Did it start at the graft and spread upward and downward from that point? Was it a gradual change everywhere? How quickly did it change from white to green? Has anyone seen an albino plant spontaneously change to green without some outside influence like this graft? _________________ Jim
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Sylvain Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2007 Posts: 790 Location: Bergerac, France.
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Posted: Thu 10 Sep, 2009 3:05 pm |
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Yes! This is very interesting, Terry. |
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Terry Citruholic
Joined: 21 Nov 2005 Posts: 243 Location: Wilmington, NC
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Posted: Sat 12 Sep, 2009 10:51 am |
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JRB,
With both grafts the Green developed above the graft first. For a while on the first graft I noticed that the stock below the graft was still albino looking. But eventually I could see no difference.
It was a gradual change from albino to green color. It was over maybe 2 to 3 months with the area below the graft taking maybe twice that long.
The older graft trees show no sign of albinism as of yet.
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fofoca Citruholic
Joined: 24 Jun 2009 Posts: 97 Location: SF Bay Area, California
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Posted: Sat 12 Sep, 2009 2:58 pm |
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I also find this fascinating, and hope someone can explain it! Enquiring minds want to know.
I found a tantalizing tidbit in The Citrus Industry (
http://lib.ucr.edu/agnic/webber/Vol2/Chapter2_2.htm#leafcomp):
"Pretreatment of citrus seeds with a mercury compound has been shown to affect the seed enzyme system in such a way that healthy instead of albinistic seedlings are produced (Perlberger and Reichert, 1938)." |
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Shirlee
Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Posts: 18 Location: Gilmer Texas 75644
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Posted: Sat 12 Sep, 2009 9:48 pm |
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Terry:approach graft with a albino and variegated ? _________________ For Forecast Gilmer Texas Click
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Terry Citruholic
Joined: 21 Nov 2005 Posts: 243 Location: Wilmington, NC
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Posted: Sat 12 Sep, 2009 11:48 pm |
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Shirlee,
If you look at the whole string of this post youll see that I used an albino seedling grafted to a normal seedling in both cases.
One was a albino sudachi seedling paired with a normal Sudachi.
The other is an albino Florida rough lemon seedling paired with a normal Florida rough lemon seedling.
There were no signs of variegation before or after the grafting.
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Shirlee
Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Posts: 18 Location: Gilmer Texas 75644
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Posted: Sun 13 Sep, 2009 12:15 am |
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Terry: albino seedling + variegated seedling = variegated _________________ For Forecast Gilmer Texas Click
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Sylvain Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2007 Posts: 790 Location: Bergerac, France.
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Posted: Sun 13 Sep, 2009 3:52 am |
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Shirlee, could you write regular sentences please.
We don't understand you. |
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citrange Site Admin
Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 590 Location: UK - 15 miles west of London
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Posted: Sun 13 Sep, 2009 10:58 am |
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I've never really understood albinism, because I have also read that treating seed with certain fungicides greatly reduces the incidence of albinism. This suggests it is caused by a fungus.
But I have also planted seeds from variegated citrus and there is no doubt they produce a high number of albino seedlings - suggesting a genetic cause.
Perhaps the production of chlorophyll is a process that can be easily disrupted (and restored) by several agents.
Another point. It has been said that true variegation can never be propagated by seed. This is definitely not true with citrus. I have grown identically variegated seedlings from variegated plants' seeds. Probably because citrus seedlings are often exact clones of the mother plant and not the result of pollination. |
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Sylvain Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2007 Posts: 790 Location: Bergerac, France.
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Posted: Sun 13 Sep, 2009 11:33 am |
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> there is no doubt they produce a high number of albino seedlings - suggesting a genetic cause.
True variegated citrus are said to be chimeras of "green" cells and albinos cells. As the seed is issued from one cell it might give a mix of green plants and albinos plants.
> I have grown identically variegated seedlings from variegated plants' seeds.
This is very astonishing! It shows that we don't know everything about it. |
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fofoca Citruholic
Joined: 24 Jun 2009 Posts: 97 Location: SF Bay Area, California
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Posted: Sun 13 Sep, 2009 2:36 pm |
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citrange wrote: | Perhaps the production of chlorophyll is a process that can be easily disrupted (and restored) by several agents. |
I haven't learned the particulars of the restoration, but after my research yesterday it seems clear that the disruption part is indeed easily achieved. An additional complicating factor is that albinism can be caused by a defect in chlorophyll production OR by a defect in production of pigments such as carotenoids.
"The main role of carotenoids is to protect chlorophyll from photo-oxidation, as well to serve as light-absorbing pigments. Thus, in albino mutants, appearance of white seedlings under high light conditions is due to photooxidation of chlorophyll and consequent destruction of chloroplasts (Anderson and Robertson, 1960)." (http://jxb.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/48/6/1259.pdf)
Chlorophyll and carotenoids are descendents of a common biosynthetic method, the "terpenoid pathway", and both branches have many steps, any of which can be faulty.
Genes are definitely implicated, and I would say the fungicide, mercury, and Terry's approach-grafting evidence suggests that hormones are also involved. |
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pagnr Citrus Guru
Joined: 23 Aug 2008 Posts: 407 Location: Australia
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Posted: Mon 14 Sep, 2009 11:37 am |
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There are at least four types of seedling with abnormal chlorophyll.
Albino- seedlings germinate white and do not recover ability to photosynthesize. Then die when seed reserves exhausted.
Virescent- germinate with variable levels of chlorophyll. Gradually develop into fully green plants of normal appearance.
Variegated-green/white patterning of chlorophyll pigment. In my experience
seedlings become dominated by the stronger mainly green, then fully green areas of growth. As the seedling grows, some buds in the variegation pattern will be more green than white, and tend to take over. Finally a normal plant develops, apart from some variegated buds on the stem.
Infectious Variegation-can appear well after germination, as well as in new growth flushes on older plants. |
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