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mrtexas Citruholic
Joined: 02 Dec 2005 Posts: 1030 Location: 9a Missouri City,TX
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Posted: Thu 22 Dec, 2011 12:53 pm |
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Our Federal Income Tax has become way too "progressive." Since retiring two years ago I haven't paid a dime in income tax and in fact have been getting $2,000 back at a child tax credit. All my income is capital gains and dividends taxed at 15% but with all the deductions, no income tax. My income is approximately the same as when I was working, in excess of the social security maximum. I take the standard deduction.
When I was working I was paying around $10,000 a year as well as $8,000 in FICA tax.
How long can this go on? And the Democrats claim the "rich" don't pay enough? How about the upper middle class? |
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Mark_T Citruholic
Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 757 Location: Gilbert,AZ
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Posted: Thu 22 Dec, 2011 3:57 pm |
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I don't think capital gains or dividends should be taxed more, so in your case I'm fine with it. The child tax credit, in your case is silly, but they need to buy votes anywhere they can.
Frankly, consumption should be taxed and capital investment or earned income shouldn't be. |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Thu 22 Dec, 2011 7:03 pm |
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Phil you must have entered into the bottom 47 percent group. One constantly hears from the democrat...." tax the rich". If one looks at the GAO website, the top 5 percent of the wealthy, already pay a full 70% of all income taxes in America. Do they want them to pay 100 percent of all income taxes??? The bottom 1/2 of Americans (47%) pay no income tax, nothing, zip, nada. America is $15,000.000.000.000.00 in debt, but still, two months ago, the silly government gave the University of Colorado at Boulder,a $850,000.00 grant to study the effects of "global warming" on prairie dogs. Will it ever ever end? - Millet (389 ABO-) |
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Mark_T Citruholic
Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 757 Location: Gilbert,AZ
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Posted: Thu 22 Dec, 2011 9:03 pm |
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Millet, yes it will end, once we hit the debt crisis we have coming. Not until then, the public does not care to hold our politicians accountable. The only thing that matters is who's team someone plays for.
Just wait until the interest rate on our debt rises, then we are in serious trouble. |
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5679 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Mark_T Citruholic
Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 757 Location: Gilbert,AZ
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Posted: Fri 23 Dec, 2011 2:31 am |
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Can't say I disagree with much there. Although I will say, I don't think the politicians are really the problem. An out to lunch, disengaged voting public is largely to blame. All the stats show, most people only check in the last few months of a presidential election. The rest of the time, they only get their information from sound bytes and cheap headlines, so their true knowledge of any issue is beyond thin. They are easy to manipulate as a result, which is why utter lies spewing from the mouth of a politician are able to sway public opinion.
The ignorant fool that uses their vote like it's a text message vote for American Idol, well, it counts just as much as mine. |
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mrtexas Citruholic
Joined: 02 Dec 2005 Posts: 1030 Location: 9a Missouri City,TX
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Posted: Sat 24 Dec, 2011 12:25 pm |
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Mark_T wrote: | I don't think capital gains or dividends should be taxed more, so in your case I'm fine with it. The child tax credit, in your case is silly, but they need to buy votes anywhere they can.
Frankly, consumption should be taxed and capital investment or earned income shouldn't be. |
I agree on the dividends. They shouldn't be taxed twice both on the corporate level and individual level.
Capital gains should be taxed as regular income but indexed for inflation. The top 10% pays way too big of a % of taxes. Our corporate tax rate is way too high compared to the rest of the world. This leaves the polits to hand out crony capitalist tax preferences. Note the latest tax pandering in Illinois.
I think everyone should be a taxpayer, say having a minimum of 5% even for minimum wage earners. With 47% paying nothing the incentive is to vote in the polits who give away the most. It is worse than 47% really since 60% or so pay nothing when government benefits are factored in.
After I retired 01Jan2010 I anticipated I would have to pay quarterly estimated tax. I got lazy the first year, didn't do it, and was surprised to find out I didn't need to! |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sat 24 Dec, 2011 1:09 pm |
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Phil, in reality corporations do not pay taxes. The customers of the corporations wind up paying their taxes. Like all businesses, corporations have to recoup all their costs of doing business, or they will not long survive. When the cost of doing business goes up for corporations, the price of their products, or services is increased, which are payed by the people who use their services, or buy their products. Like everything else, corporate taxes actually falls on whoever is last in the line.- Millet (387 ABO-) |
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Mark_T Citruholic
Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 757 Location: Gilbert,AZ
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Posted: Sat 24 Dec, 2011 4:20 pm |
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mrtexas wrote: | Mark_T wrote: | I don't think capital gains or dividends should be taxed more, so in your case I'm fine with it. The child tax credit, in your case is silly, but they need to buy votes anywhere they can.
Frankly, consumption should be taxed and capital investment or earned income shouldn't be. |
I agree on the dividends. They shouldn't be taxed twice both on the corporate level and individual level.
Capital gains should be taxed as regular income but indexed for inflation. The top 10% pays way too big of a % of taxes. Our corporate tax rate is way too high compared to the rest of the world. This leaves the polits to hand out crony capitalist tax preferences. Note the latest tax pandering in Illinois.
I think everyone should be a taxpayer, say having a minimum of 5% even for minimum wage earners. With 47% paying nothing the incentive is to vote in the polits who give away the most. It is worse than 47% really since 60% or so pay nothing when government benefits are factored in.
After I retired 01Jan2010 I anticipated I would have to pay quarterly estimated tax. I got lazy the first year, didn't do it, and was surprised to find out I didn't need to! |
Capital gains by their nature need to be lower to account for the risk the investor takes on their capital.
If we want people to invest in our companies and other ventures (and we do) you have to keep the tax low enough to warrant to putting the money at risk. That's just my opinion.
I agree on the everyone paying taxes thing, it's crazy. |
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Darkman Citruholic
Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 968 Location: Pensacola Florida South of I-10 Zone 8b/9a
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Posted: Tue 27 Dec, 2011 12:37 am |
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Kill 99% of all foreign aid! Only give it to those countries that stick their necks out for the USA.
Kill 99% of all welfare (entitlements?) and social programs. Only those that are willing to work the jobs we can provide will get a PAYCHECK.
Kill 99% of all grants. Only those that can pass a smell test qualify. If it stinks it doesn't qualify.
Kill 99% of all paroles and probations. Most of them come back quickly anyway! Too many activities and not enough hard labor.
Kill 99% of all tax breaks. Everyone pays taxes!!! It's a bill! It has nothing to do with you having a job. It is your right and priviledge to pay taxes.
I could go on but I'm sure I've riled enough people now.
Happy New Year
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make sure you vote next year! _________________ Charles in Pensacola
Life - Some assembly required, As is no warranty, Batteries not included, Instructions shipped separately and are frequently wrong!
Kentucky Bourbon - It may not solve the problem but it helps to make it tolerable! |
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TRI Citruholic
Joined: 13 Jan 2010 Posts: 399 Location: Homestead, FL Zone 10
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Posted: Sat 31 Dec, 2011 2:13 am |
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Margaret Thatcher once said that socialism is fine until you run out of others peoples money. Are we there yet? Not quite but when we do arrive, there will be another crises that will dwarf the financial crises of 2008. I think Europe is almost on the brink to financial ruin, but we are not that far behind.
I paid over $22,000 in federal estimated income tax year so far this year and will pay much more next year. |
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Darkman Citruholic
Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 968 Location: Pensacola Florida South of I-10 Zone 8b/9a
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Posted: Sat 31 Dec, 2011 8:29 pm |
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All my life I've heard extremist and some not so extreme speak of a coming civil war in America.
I just never thought the lines would be drawn between those that pay taxes and those that don't?
Mr. Texas excluded of course! _________________ Charles in Pensacola
Life - Some assembly required, As is no warranty, Batteries not included, Instructions shipped separately and are frequently wrong!
Kentucky Bourbon - It may not solve the problem but it helps to make it tolerable! |
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RyanL Citruholic
Joined: 07 Jan 2010 Posts: 410 Location: Orange County, North Carolina. 7B
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Posted: Thu 05 Jan, 2012 6:29 pm |
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Solution: If you don't pay taxes you don't vote. |
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Mark_T Citruholic
Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 757 Location: Gilbert,AZ
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Posted: Fri 06 Jan, 2012 1:23 am |
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RyanL wrote: | Solution: If you don't pay taxes you don't vote. |
I would actually be OK with this, since they wanted land owners originally. Unfortunately, we have one of the major parties refusing to even believe proof of ID should be a requirement to vote, so with that obstacle we will have to deal with no reform at all. |
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mrtexas Citruholic
Joined: 02 Dec 2005 Posts: 1030 Location: 9a Missouri City,TX
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Posted: Sat 07 Jan, 2012 2:00 am |
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Mark_T wrote: | RyanL wrote: | Solution: If you don't pay taxes you don't vote. |
I would actually be OK with this, since they wanted land owners originally. Unfortunately, we have one of the major parties refusing to even believe proof of ID should be a requirement to vote, so with that obstacle we will have to deal with no reform at all. |
Um, they want all the dead Democrats to vote. |
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