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lilpug57
Joined: 07 Dec 2013 Posts: 2 Location: Eastern PA
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Posted: Wed 11 Dec, 2013 12:43 am |
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Will magnesium deficient foliage on a Meyer lemon re-green after proper MG levels are achieved? Thanks in advance. |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Wed 11 Dec, 2013 1:39 am |
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No, normally the leaves will not fully recover However, foliar sprays of Epsom Salts (MgSo4), or soil root drench of MgSo4, can prevent the symptoms from appearing on leaves the following year. - Millet |
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Mark Citruholic
Joined: 30 May 2008 Posts: 42 Location: Fredericksburg, TX
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Posted: Wed 01 Jan, 2014 4:36 pm |
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Speaking of greening, it seems that the more micro products I use, like SouthernAg, the more yellow my newer leaves become. I grafted on Flying Dragon and have a hard time keeping the new leaves green. I've also tried Jack's Citrus FeED, Dyna-Gro's Foliage Pro (9-3-6), DeltAg's Microvite and their Manganese and Zinc "rocket fuels"....nothing seems to work. What in the heck am I doing wrong?
The good side is I'm getting a lot of fruit on these small greenhouse grown trees. Every citrus tree is loaded.
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Wed 01 Jan, 2014 6:03 pm |
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Are you watering your trees with well water or municipal water? Do you know what the carbonate and bicarbonate levels (PPM) are in the water you use? - Millet |
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Mark Citruholic
Joined: 30 May 2008 Posts: 42 Location: Fredericksburg, TX
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Posted: Wed 01 Jan, 2014 7:24 pm |
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Millet wrote: | Are you watering your trees with well water or municipal water? Do you know what the carbonate and bicarbonate levels (PPM) are in the water you use? - Millet |
I collect rainwater and use it. Well water has a TDS of 830ppm, mostly bicarbs of Mg and Ca.
Think I have a handle on it - deficiency of sulfur as I've been using fertilizers that are mostly urea, nitrates, phosphates, etc. Anyway, minutes ago they got a drench of the sulfates of Ca, Mn, Mg, Fe, Zn and ammonium.
Sulfur doesn't translocate to new leaves like N. We shall see!
As usual, thanks for the support. Seems like the only time I show up is when I need something! Sorry!
BTW, I'm the guy from Fredericksburg, last post about 2 years ago, put in a Nexus greenhouse. You should see my avocados. Grafted and put them in RootBuilder pots last year. If I don't get at least 100 cados in 2014, something's wrong. Gourmet - Reed, Sharwil, Gwen, etc.
We've been making key limes pies and margaritas like crazy. Harvesting Meyers now. Oro Negro cados are next as are blood oranges, Rio Red grapefruit, and more key limes.
Here's what's going on - http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=7511.0
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Wed 01 Jan, 2014 8:21 pm |
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Good you got a handle on the problem. From what you wrote, I thought the problem had to be the high levels of "TDS of 830ppm, mostly bicarbs of Mg and Ca." - Now that you are using rain water, you should add one gallon of your well water to every 15 to 17 gallons of the rain water. Or add a calcium supplement, as pure rain water does not supply any calcium. .. Millet |
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Mark Citruholic
Joined: 30 May 2008 Posts: 42 Location: Fredericksburg, TX
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Posted: Thu 02 Jan, 2014 3:23 pm |
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Millet wrote: | Good you got a handle on the problem. From what you wrote, I thought the problem had to be the high levels of "TDS of 830ppm, mostly bicarbs of Mg and Ca." - Now that you are using rain water, you should add one gallon of your well water to every 15 to 17 gallons of the rain water. Or add a calcium supplement, as pure rain water does not supply any calcium. .. Millet |
I alternate plus my Polyon slow release food contains Ca.
I hope I have a handle on it! |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Fri 03 Jan, 2014 12:31 am |
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If you alternate irrigation by using rain water, for all practical purposes in the case of the rain water it will be free from adding any soluble solids. However, your well water contains 830 PPM carbonates and bicarbonates, plus whatever sodium. Therefore, irrigating your citrus by alternating the two water sources is still adding 415 PPM carbonates and bicarbonates. The toxic level for damaging citrus by the additional carbonates and bicarbonates through a continual watering program is 200 PPM. If you have damaged foliage already, you will continual to increase problems for the foliage, plus the trees will produce fewer and fewer fruit. Even perhaps this flowering season. - Millet |
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Mark Citruholic
Joined: 30 May 2008 Posts: 42 Location: Fredericksburg, TX
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Posted: Fri 03 Jan, 2014 11:32 am |
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I used well water almost exclusively before putting in my 305 g. rainwater collection system....no problems. Well water contains no Na or Cl. A good trick is to add sulfuric acid to my well water to bring the pH down to about 5.00. Ca is converted to a soluble gypsum, Mg converted to a soluble epsom salts. Sometimes I water using a 2 gal. watering can dipping into a large garbage can under one of the gutters..... most times using a Wayne pump and attached garden hose, pulling directly off the tank.
BTW, believe you have a Nexus like me and and are doing citrus too. Got any links to recent pics? How's the harvest?
I also put in Mallika and Pickering mangos. So called "condo" mangos because they're small trees. |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Fri 03 Jan, 2014 1:01 pm |
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Yes I have a double air inflated poly 32 X 72 ft. Nexus greenhouse, with approximately 50 citrus trees, that produce more fruit then my family can use. Therefore we give away some fruit to relatives and friends. - Millet |
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Mark Citruholic
Joined: 30 May 2008 Posts: 42 Location: Fredericksburg, TX
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Posted: Fri 03 Jan, 2014 1:25 pm |
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Millet wrote: | Yes I have a double air inflated poly 32 X 72 ft. Nexus greenhouse, with approximately 50 citrus trees, that produce more fruit then my family can use. Therefore we give away some fruit to relatives and friends. - Millet |
Sounds like my cousin who planted a whole pack of lettuce seeds for 2 people.
Yep, I've been giving them away and making margaritas like they're going out of style. Would love to see some pics. |
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