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SusanB
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Posted: Sat 06 Dec, 2008 1:44 am

Here is a link to the newsletter, ad is in right column.
http://media.hgtv.com/HGTV/newsletter/gardening_newsletter/vol_089/HGG_v089_120508.html?nl=HGG_v089_1

Pretty good, eye-catching ad and slogans:

Citrus Crisis
America's Citrus is under attack
Stop the destruction. Don't move citrus plants.

Here is the USDA ad page
http://www.saveourcitrus.org/

Could it be that the USDA actually learned some lessons from the Canker fiasco? This website really reaches out to people in a non-threatening way, asking for their help.

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Posted: Sat 06 Dec, 2008 1:58 am

Thanks very interesting. - Millet
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Posted: Sat 06 Dec, 2008 6:19 pm

this is very good information
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Posted: Sun 07 Dec, 2008 1:40 pm

Thanks Suzan and Lazz. I will suggest that USDA folks watch ebay more closely.

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Posted: Sun 07 Dec, 2008 3:52 pm

I've looked at two of those nurseries mentioned with the ebay links this summer, neither was in contaminated counties, and both were certified, inspected nurseries.
Georgia total quarantine must be something new?
I think Sheryl in Louisiana is still in a clean county, although I'm sure the entire southern area is now at terrible risk.

The USDA does keep an eye on eBay, I read on GardenWeb (a plant forum) that someone had purchased a citrus plant from Florida and came home to find a note from USDA that they had visited and would be back to talk to her. The lady was in a panic that they would take every plant she owned.
This all happened over a year ago, very shortly after they closed down Florida plant sales.

How far is Four Winds Nursery from San Diego county?

We have former co-workers that moved to San Diego this summer, she was telling me about a citrus class they took at the library, but didn't mention any quarantine or psyllid information.

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Posted: Sun 07 Dec, 2008 11:43 pm

Susan,

Georgia has been under total quarantine since Oct 1, 2008, even though I understand the psyllids were found only in coastal counties, the state decided on a total quarantine. The location of the Georgia nurseries is not likely to have the psyllids at this point, but there is really no way to be sure. I believe I know one of the nurseries, and I suspect they are not even aware of the quarantine.

You are right that the parrish (Lafayette?) where the nursery is located in Louisana looks to me to be outside the areas now under quarantine.

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/plant_health/plant_pest_info/citrus_greening/downloads/pdf_files/federalorder-10-1-08-san.pdf

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Posted: Mon 08 Dec, 2008 12:55 am

Below is a link that offers information concerning California and the steps California is taking to control Greening and the psyllid. The inclusive link to the University of California ANR Publication 8205 is well worth reading and/or having as a free download [Note: it used to be imperative that cookies had to be enabled in your browser to access this 8205 on line article]. We give thanks to Mr. Shep (Jim), who originally posted it on the UBC, I only post it to this forum for your information. - Millet


http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/EXOTIC/diaphorinacitri.html
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Posted: Mon 08 Dec, 2008 3:40 pm

Thank you for that link, it has very good information. I especially like the how and why of each chemical, also both trade name and chemical name.

I'm so afraid to use any pesticides on my trees (they are all young), I never know what will harm them or what will show up in the fruit.

Maybe someone could consider writing a "Pests and Pesticides 101" and posting it in the tutorial or pest section?

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Posted: Mon 08 Dec, 2008 3:52 pm

I googled "White guava and citrus greening" and found quite a few links. It's Vietnamese white guava that was interplanted with citrus, only they don't seem to know why it repels (if in fact that's what it does) the citrus psyllid.
I'm very interested in this, as we live fairly close to Georgia!

http://www.flcitrusmutual.com/news/sunherald_conference_061308.aspx

Study on guavas and greening
[url]]http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/publications/Publications.htm?seq_no_115=231621[/url]

**This is good: Guava studies presentation
http://citrusagents.ifas.ufl.edu/events/greening_summit/flash/Hall%20-%20Guava%20Presentation.swf

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Posted: Tue 09 Dec, 2008 5:06 pm

Hi all,
I just wanted to chime in a little bit here on the HLB/ACP discussion.
I just got back from a week long International Research Conference on HLB that took place in Orlando, Fl. http://www.doacs.state.fl.us/pi/hlb_conference/overview.html

First off to answer Susan's question:
"How far is Four Winds Nursery from San Diego County?"
We are about 500 miles north of San Diego.
As much as we would like to believe that this distance will by us time, the reality is that it may not. ( I will explain)

The conference was pretty amazing, as researchers from around the world presented the latest work on HLB. The HLB problem is the biggest thing going in the citrus research world and the amount of money and minds’ working on this problem is rather impressive. I would advise anyone interested to look over the proceedings for themselves, there is a lot of information there.
I’ll just mention a few highlights and if anyone wants to chat more, I would be more than happy to do so.
HLB is a bacterial disease (Candidatus Liberibacter). As you all know it eventually kills trees and makes the fruit useless (the flavor becomes bitter). One big problem is that, so far they have been unable to culture the bacteria. The other problem is that it takes 3-5 years for symptoms to express themselves in the trees.
Without strict controls on the movement of citrus and other related host plants, the bacteria and its vector (the Asian Citrus Psyllid) can move rapidly. Take the Florida situation for example: The psyllid was first discovered in southern Florida in 1998. By 2000 it was state wide, moved largely through retail nurseries traveling on Murrya Paniculata (Orange Jasmine) which was unregulated. In 2005 the disease was first discovered in the Miami area. It is believed that the original source of HLB trees was one farmer who illegally imported infected budwood from Taiwan. By the end of 2006 HLB had been detected in 26 counties and it can currently be found in 32 counties in Florida. That is the really scary part; all it took was one illegal importation to unleash the disease! This is also why our (Four Winds Growers) geographic distance from San Diego may not leave us completely at risk. It is widely assumed that there are already HLB infected trees present in California (most likely in someone’s back yard) and it is only a matter of time before the psyllid finds it.
There has been quite a bit of research that is trying to identify any possible resistant citrus varieties, but the disease does not discriminate and to date none have been identified. I remember Joe Real had expressed hope about macroptera, but it too has been found to be susceptible to HLB. There is also considerable debate as to whether or not HLB is seed transmissible. At this point it remains unclear, it looks like yes but the disease is weak in seedlings and more study is required before they will know for sure.
There was some positive information about the use of guavas to discourage the psyllid form entering citrus groves. They have isolated the chemical responsible and are in the process of synthesizing it and trialing it in the field. However, guavas alone will not protect citrus. The only thing that works is chemicals and screen houses.
The major take home is that to be successful in limiting the spread of ACP and HLB the regulations have to stay in front of it. If the rules are simply reacting to the movement of the psyllid it can easily be too late to stop the spread. At this point it is unclear what will happen in California, but rest assured there will be a day where nurseries will no longer be able to sell trees not grown under insect proof screen. When this becomes law, many nurseries will likely go out of business because of the capital required to build screen structures. In Florida, half of the citrus nurseries went out of business and the cost of trees doubled over night.
I know that the rules prohibiting the movement of citrus budwood from once place to another can seem like a pain and that the temptation to get your hands on something new can be great, but the consequences of this type of action can be great. Another interesting observation was that in Sao Palo state in Brazil, it is mandatory to remove trees infected with HLB. This mandatory removal has helped to slow the spread of the disease, to date 2.4 Million trees have been pulled! In Florida, tree removal is encouraged but not mandatory, which is the same situation for back yard trees. As a result, the disease continues to spread. It is believed that there are at least 100,000 acres of abandoned groves in Florida at this time. Those groves plus the back yard trees are protected by our private property rights as American’s, but it seems clear that more restrictive measures might be more effective.
Many growers in Florida have stopped replanting trees because they do not believe they will ever reach maturity and provide return on the investment. Within 5 years citrus could become a rotational crop in Florida.
We’ll see what happens, but the future for citrus production worldwide doesn’t look good right now. Hopefully the science will catch up and there will be some major breakthroughs in the next few years.
Sorry for the long post, but this situation is serious and it is important for everyone to know the latest.

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Posted: Tue 09 Dec, 2008 5:33 pm

Aaron, thanks for the report. I wanted to know the scientific publications about the C. macroptera being susceptible, perhaps there are some sub-cultivars within the same species designation that are resistant. There could also be misnaming some of the cultivars, as is the common problem with wild citruses when many taxonomists have independent work and have used the same name for distinct cultivars. I have credible testimonies and have some national publications about survey conducted by some of our scientists. There are many citrus types that are not susceptible to the HLB/greening disease and they are survivors in the areas infested with HLB. We may lose navels and valencias, and some grapefruits. I am quite certain that we have many species that thrive amidst the infestations of ACP in HLB rich environment and they yield good crops, so it is worthwhile to revisit those.
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Posted: Tue 09 Dec, 2008 5:57 pm

Joe there was a guy there from India who presented during Afternoon session #3: (3.5) Citrus Greening Disease in India; Das, A.K. who reported on macropetera. There entire final session (#13) dealt with resistance; look for presentation 13.6 (I think). They tried everything, it all tested positive over time. It is true that there a many varieties that do not show symptoms (Eureka Lemon and Persian Lime for example), but they all still test positive for the disease. These types of tress may be very important for the development of mild stain resistance in the future (if HLB becomes full blown), but in the mean time they would still be a source of the bacteria and would lead to continued disease spread.

That is one of the really tricky things about HLB, is that the tree may look healthy even though it is infected. It takes a fair amount of training to be able to visually identify systematic trees. There are at least 4 companies in Florida providing inspection services to growers, because unless you do it every day the signs may be hard to spot. It may take genetic modification to get varieties that are completely resistant.

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Posted: Tue 09 Dec, 2008 6:01 pm

That is one of the really tricky things about HLB: the tree may look healthy even though it is infected. It takes a fair amount of training to be able to visually identify symptomatic trees. There are at least 4 companies in Florida providing inspection services to growers, because unless you do it every day the signs may be hard to spot. It may take genetic modification to get varieties that are completely resistant.

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