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roachslayer
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Location: Seattle, Wa, Zone 7

Posted: Thu 22 Dec, 2011 8:36 pm

Citrus Fans, here is my current SUCCESS story!

The Challenge:
It is a challenge to get citrus to grow (indoors) or even keep alive in the Seattle area. Even more a challenge to do so in an unheated greenhouse with no supplemental light!

The Success:
Not only are my citrus surviving in the above mentioned poorly lit cold environment, but the fruit is ripening now in the middle of winter, and tastes great!

The Setup:
-8x14 Lean-to Greenhouse, no heater
-Heat cord is lined under pots in coils
-4:1 CHC soil, kept above 55F
-Air Temp outside is freezing (frost on windows of greenhouse!
-Air temp inside is about 44F (generally rides around 12 or more degrees higher than outside when not sunny)
-Lemons, Limequats, Tangelo, Kumquat, Key Lime... all ripening!

The Story:
In the summer, the trees thrived. We had a bright sunny summer in the Seattle area. Lots of new growth, flowering, fruiting. What REALLY surprised me was my Lemon tree. It almost died last year due to Scale, and my 4 yr flourishing tree had only 2 branches remaining. Over the summer, new growth it did not surprise me, but then it flowered and set fruit by fall! The crazy thing is ripening a couple of lemons now. Cool!

Anyway, I was not expecting the fruit to ripen in Dec. I suspect this is because it was a horrible, dark, cold spring this year (and I dont have supplemental lights yet), and nothing really started growing or flowering until way late (like, mid summer). So here we are!

Pics to Prove it:


above: Tangelo, 4 year tree


above: Limequat, 3 year tree


above: Heater coils under pots for Papaya and other tropicals. Soil Temp: 70F


above: Heater cord under citrus containers, a few coils under each, soil temp 55F or more. The blue tape is what I put Tanglefoot on and kept the gnat population down in the summer (custom fly paper around the rim!)


above: Full shot of Greenhouse in Dec 2011, Many tropicals and sub tropicals. Lemon, Key Lime, Limequat, Kumquat, Tangelo, Orange, Banana. See also, Pickering Mango in back corner, and young Papaya in the right corner. Miracle Fruit and Lychee are also hidden in here, as well as many tropical flowers. Air temp 44F!

Problems:
It's not a perfect success story, as I have experience leaf drop and branch death (see the Tangelo, first pic above). I'm not sure why this is the case. It could be a number of things, including ongoing spider mite battle (been fighting all year), or the soil temp dropping lower than 55F and I didnt adjust things enough. Or perhaps not enough light in our dark winters here? Not sure yet.

Conclusion:
Some say citrus is for "rich" people. I'm not rich, and this is a low-budget setup, not heating the air, but just the containers. This is totally doable in the Northwest when you take the time to learn all the tricks. Lemme know what you think! And by all means, share your stories of crazy citrus success.
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j3u5a8n
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Joined: 04 Oct 2011
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Location: Imperial Valley, California

Posted: Thu 22 Dec, 2011 9:53 pm

I think all your plants look great. Keep up the good work.
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Millet
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Location: Colorado

Posted: Thu 22 Dec, 2011 11:55 pm

Heating a plant's root system, has been used by greenhouses for a long time, as a means of plant growth, while also decreasing the cost of heating the greenhouse. When a plants roots are kept warm, the foliage can withstand lower air temperatures. Enjoy your fruit. Merry Christmas. - Millet (389 ABO-)
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roachslayer
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Location: Seattle, Wa, Zone 7

Posted: Fri 23 Dec, 2011 1:26 am

Yes indeed, Millet, I got the idea generally from your various posts over the years. Thank you!

Heating the soil and getting results is nothing new or spectacular, but to pull it off in crappy overcast Seattle... I'm just pleasently surprised this winter. Especially surprised by the ultra fast recovery of my lemon this year as mentioned. Had to share.

FYI, the banana completely stopped its growth, unlike the citrus, either wants much more heat, or more sun, or both. But it will continue next season I am sure.
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SeaHorse_Fanatic
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Joined: 19 Sep 2011
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Location: Burnaby, BC Zone 8b/9b

Posted: Fri 23 Dec, 2011 3:23 am

Congrats. Looking good. I'm also doing a very simple unheated greenhouse in Burnaby, BC but with a 42w CFL on 24/7 for a little light and a bit of heat. Where did you get the heat coil?

Anthony

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Lemandarangequatelo
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Location: UK

Posted: Fri 23 Dec, 2011 6:45 am

Great job! Smile
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roachslayer
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Location: Seattle, Wa, Zone 7

Posted: Fri 23 Dec, 2011 6:16 pm

SeaHorse_Fanatic wrote:
... Where did you get the heat coil?
Anthony


There is more than one place to find this, but this is what I used:

Soil Heating Cable, 60ft 300W:
http://www.littlegreenhouse.com/accessory/heaters3.shtml

and a T130P thermostat from here:
http://www.littlegreenhouse.com/accessory/controls.shtml

I liked that it had a probe to shove into one of the containers to sample soil temp (presuming I have similar size coiled wire under each).

I am using 60 feet under 8-9 #12 containers, so, a few coils under each, and they are all in reasonable proximity to just hop to the next. Not worried about heat loss from the minimal exposed cable, cant hurt to heat the air right under the tree canopy another degree. I will probably use 120 feet next year, especially if I move to some of them to #16 containers.

You'll note also in my case, I sit my containers on 2" thick pavers as my floor which is sitting on 2" pea gravel. No insulation under the pavers or gravel, etc.
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Millet
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Posted: Sat 24 Dec, 2011 1:23 am

roachslayer, thanks for the ACF greenhouse web site. I found several items that I have been looking for. You have been a big help. BTW, I personally like the city of Seattle. (perhaps not the weather, but the city is great.)- Millet (388 ABO-)
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serj
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Joined: 11 Dec 2008
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Location: Ukraine zone 6

Posted: Tue 27 Dec, 2011 8:16 am

roachslayer, what is the taste of your citrus fruit?
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