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Beacbarbie
Joined: 05 Nov 2010 Posts: 18 Location: Kure Beach, NC
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Posted: Thu 21 Feb, 2013 11:30 pm |
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I have five citrus in he ground - Kumquat, Thomasville, Satsuma 'Brown Select', Algerian Clementine and grapefruit 'Ruby Red'. All but the Thomasville were planted last year. The grapefruit went in the ground late July.
I'm south of Wilmington, NC on a barrier island. We stay warmer than Wilmington does and have only gotten below 32 four time this Winter. Last Saturday night a cold front came through and Wilmington got snow flurries. We got rain and a teensy bit of sleet. I covered my grapefruit with a sheet, but it blew off in the wind; luckily it only got down to 31F. The next night it reached 28 and the sheet DID stay on (lots of clothespins!). Here's what it looked like Saturday.
I think it held up pretty well!
Barb
_________________ Barb Bach
Kure Beach, NC
zone 8/9
In pots:
Meyers Lemon
Navel orange
Key Lime
Mexican Thornless
Limequat
In the ground:
Clementine
Kumquat
Citrangequat 'Thomasville'
Satsuma 'Brown Select'
Grapefruit 'Ruby Red' |
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Beacbarbie
Joined: 05 Nov 2010 Posts: 18 Location: Kure Beach, NC
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Posted: Thu 21 Feb, 2013 11:31 pm |
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Well crap. The picture didn't show. Let's see if I can' figure out how to properly link the picture.
Barb _________________ Barb Bach
Kure Beach, NC
zone 8/9
In pots:
Meyers Lemon
Navel orange
Key Lime
Mexican Thornless
Limequat
In the ground:
Clementine
Kumquat
Citrangequat 'Thomasville'
Satsuma 'Brown Select'
Grapefruit 'Ruby Red' |
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Beacbarbie
Joined: 05 Nov 2010 Posts: 18 Location: Kure Beach, NC
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Posted: Thu 21 Feb, 2013 11:37 pm |
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_________________ Barb Bach
Kure Beach, NC
zone 8/9
In pots:
Meyers Lemon
Navel orange
Key Lime
Mexican Thornless
Limequat
In the ground:
Clementine
Kumquat
Citrangequat 'Thomasville'
Satsuma 'Brown Select'
Grapefruit 'Ruby Red' |
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Sugar Land Dave Citruholic
Joined: 08 Oct 2012 Posts: 119 Location: Sugar Land, TX Zone 9a
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Posted: Thu 21 Feb, 2013 11:57 pm |
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Hi Barb,
The Red grapefruits seem to be fine with short periods down to 28. All of your trees should do well in limited cold except for perhaps the limes. They don't much care for the cold.
Nice list of trees you have, and the pictures are great!
David _________________
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Fri 22 Feb, 2013 1:15 am |
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The tree is suffering from a mineral deficiency. The leaves are showing the pattern of a Magnesium deficiency, but magnesium deficiencies shows up on the older leaves. The leaves on your tree that are showing the deficiency are the new leaves. The mineral deficiencies that appear on a tree's new leaves are iron and manganese. At this point I am not absolutely 100 percent sure what the exact problem is, but I would think manganese, because the green veins have a broad green boarder on them. You can see that the deficiency is getting worse as you look higher up the tree. You need to get this taken care of before a big problem occurs. - Millet. |
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hoosierquilt Site Admin
Joined: 25 Oct 2010 Posts: 970 Location: Vista, California USA
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Posted: Fri 22 Feb, 2013 1:21 am |
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My two Rio Red's did fine with 5 days in a row with nighttime temps down between 26 and 28 degrees, very pleased. And Millet is correct - you're seeing what I also believe to be most likely iron deficiency. Looks a bit different than my Manganese deficiency, but it could easily be both, and you'll first see Manganese deficiency quickly followed by iron, based on your soil pH. That, combined with cold rainy weather will cause a locking out of micronutrients. I would apply a micronutient right away. You can use Citrus Grower's Blend either as a foliar application, a soil application or both. I would opt for both. And, I would make sure the pH of the water you use to mix up the solution be acidified just a bit, if your water pH is above 7.0. Just a tablespoon of white vinegar to a gallon of water should be sufficient to bring the pH down. Don't drop below 5. _________________ Patty S.
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Xerarch Citruholic
Joined: 12 Feb 2013 Posts: 25 Location: West Virginia
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Posted: Fri 22 Feb, 2013 1:28 am |
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I'm very impressed that you only got down to 28 degrees, according to the latest USDA zone map, those barrier islands in southernmost NC are in right in the 8a/8b range, which would make grapefruit a short lived tree without serious protection. What kind of lows do you normally experience in your location? |
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Terry Citruholic
Joined: 21 Nov 2005 Posts: 243 Location: Wilmington, NC
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Posted: Fri 22 Feb, 2013 1:46 am |
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barb,
I'm in Northchase. The last 2 Winters here have been very mild.
This hasn't been the norm. Five or six years ago we had an Easter day in the seventies drop to 18. It killed most fruit buds that were already blooming. I lost several citrus trees.
We had one recent winter that dropped into the teens for 3 or 4 days.
I have found a half a dozen or more rootstocks growing in the Wilmington area that had their scions frozen. I found another one last month. The owner said that it had sweet and easy peel fruit and it lost its flavor. Now that the scion died she has a 15 foot Swingle rootstock heavy with tasteless fruit.
I would like it if it mild from now on. But I don't think so. |
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Beacbarbie
Joined: 05 Nov 2010 Posts: 18 Location: Kure Beach, NC
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Posted: Fri 22 Feb, 2013 9:39 pm |
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Xerarch,
I guess our island didn't read that map! I've been keeping track of our temperatures for over 10 years now. The islands (Bald Head and Pleasure, where I live) are 8b. Wilmington is 8a/8b. I have a tropical hibiscus in the ground here. It needs plenty of protection, but comes back every Spring.
28 is the lowest we've had all year by 3 degrees.
I tried to find a picture of the tree before the cold hit, but don't seem to have one. That way I could see what discoloration was caused by the cold and what is deficiency. Oh well. The pH is slightly acidic (above 6). I'll treat it tomorrow.
Barb _________________ Barb Bach
Kure Beach, NC
zone 8/9
In pots:
Meyers Lemon
Navel orange
Key Lime
Mexican Thornless
Limequat
In the ground:
Clementine
Kumquat
Citrangequat 'Thomasville'
Satsuma 'Brown Select'
Grapefruit 'Ruby Red' |
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Sugar Land Dave Citruholic
Joined: 08 Oct 2012 Posts: 119 Location: Sugar Land, TX Zone 9a
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Posted: Sat 23 Feb, 2013 1:06 am |
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Millet wrote: | The tree is suffering from a mineral deficiency. The leaves are showing the pattern of a Magnesium deficiency, but magnesium deficiencies shows up on the older leaves. The leaves on your tree that are showing the deficiency are the new leaves. The mineral deficiencies that appear on a tree's new leaves are iron and manganese. At this point I am not absolutely 100 percent sure what the exact problem is, but I would think manganese, because the green veins have a broad green boarder on them. You can see that the deficiency is getting worse as you look higher up the tree. You need to get this taken care of before a big problem occurs. - Millet. |
I used to see this in my citrus during cold winters.
Quote: | Manganese (Mn)
Manganese deficiency occurs commonly in Florida and it is also known in many other areas of the world. It is particularly evident in the spring after a cold winter. There has been a delay in the recognition of Mn deficiency symptoms due to masking by severe Zn or Fe deficiencies. Sometimes the deficiency can be confused with symptoms of Fe and Zn deficiency or B toxicity." |
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brettay Citruholic
Joined: 27 May 2008 Posts: 45 Location: Novato, CA
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Posted: Sat 23 Feb, 2013 1:44 am |
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I agree with Dave. My trees planted outside look exactly like this at the end of the winter. It is primarily seen with younger trees that do not have as established root systems. It corrects itself once the warmer weather comes around, assuming you fertilize it appropriately.
-Brett
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sat 23 Feb, 2013 2:53 am |
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The yellow coloration in citrus leaves during cold weather is due to the roots slow absorption, and trans-location of the element nitrogen. When the weather warms, the absorption and trans-location increases and the green coloration returns. This can happen over the course of the winter, but usually does not happen over night after a cold snap. But like Beacbarbie wrote, it would be very helpful if she did have a photo prior the the cold event. Lastly, as I wrote above the deficiency leaf pattern does not seem to fit specifically and clearly to any one deficiency. Perhaps, as Dve and Bett writes it may improve in the coming spring. - Millet |
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Teh1916
Joined: 06 Dec 2012 Posts: 5 Location: Mid-Atlantic USA zone 7b
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Posted: Mon 25 Feb, 2013 6:48 pm |
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Beacbarbie wrote: | Xerarch,
I guess our island didn't read that map! I've been keeping track of our temperatures for over 10 years now. The islands (Bald Head and Pleasure, where I live) are 8b. Wilmington is 8a/8b. I have a tropical hibiscus in the ground here. It needs plenty of protection, but comes back every Spring.
28 is the lowest we've had all year by 3 degrees.
I tried to find a picture of the tree before the cold hit, but don't seem to have one. That way I could see what discoloration was caused by the cold and what is deficiency. Oh well. The pH is slightly acidic (above 6). I'll treat it tomorrow.
Barb |
I've always been interested in weather and climate and how that impacts the vegetation of an area. I'm surprised sometimes by how warm places like Cape Hatteras are when other places right on the coast a lot further south are so much colder.
Your barrier island is probably a warm micro climate compared to the surrounding area.
Take a look at the climate for Cape Hatteras:
It appears that Cape Hatteras is in zone 9a. I would think many citrus would do okay there. Min temp so far this year is 28F.
I wonder if people living in Buxton (Cape Hatteras area) are growing citrus successfully. |
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Beacbarbie
Joined: 05 Nov 2010 Posts: 18 Location: Kure Beach, NC
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Posted: Mon 25 Feb, 2013 11:02 pm |
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Wow. I'm going to have to keep track of the weather in Cape Hatteras.
I bought a weather station that I can connect to Weather Underground, I just need to figure out how to get it uploaded to the Web. When I do, I'll let y'all know the name.
Barb _________________ Barb Bach
Kure Beach, NC
zone 8/9
In pots:
Meyers Lemon
Navel orange
Key Lime
Mexican Thornless
Limequat
In the ground:
Clementine
Kumquat
Citrangequat 'Thomasville'
Satsuma 'Brown Select'
Grapefruit 'Ruby Red' |
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brettay Citruholic
Joined: 27 May 2008 Posts: 45 Location: Novato, CA
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Posted: Tue 26 Feb, 2013 12:55 am |
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My red blush grapefruit didn't show any damage at 24 degrees this year. I don't provide any frost protection. Citrus are much hardier than is generally reported assuming there is time for them to adjust to the cold and the coldest temperatures are relatively limited in length (e.g. several hours overnight).
-Brett |
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