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Radoslav
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Laaz
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| Posted: Sun 09 Dec, 2012 6:32 am |
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 Very cool!
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Sanguinello
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Looks delicious !!!  |
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Sylvain
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Radoslav
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| Posted: Sun 09 Dec, 2012 3:06 pm |
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Thanks for info Sylvain! Can your friend on french forum check something for me? -I am still curious, what is the difference - if any - between citrus ampullacea - Hiyoukan 瓢柑 and citrus yuge-hyokan - Yugehyokan 弓削瓢柑 ? I think it is identical plant. |
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Sanguinello
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SYNTHETIC chimera ???
A chimera without striped fruits and variegation on leafes ??? |
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Sylvain
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Here synthetic means man-made because most of chimeras are natural.
You don't inevitably have strips or variegation on a chimera.
In this case, if I understood well, in the meristem the external part (tunica) made of three layers L1 to L3 are all made of Ponkan cells that are anticlinal cells when the inside part (corpus) is made of Moro cells that are periclinal.
OK Radoslav, it's done:
http://www.agrumes-passion.com/identification-agrumes-f60/topic3309.html |
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Sanguinello
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As I understand it is an extreme rare form of chimera where the cells mixed and not like normal both 2 cells of the parent plants exist and cause the variegation.
"Sythetic" should mean that the creation of chimera was planned and not happened by accident.
I guess it is a translation error. |
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MarcV
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| Posted: Sun 09 Dec, 2012 7:13 pm |
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| Sylvain wrote: | | In this case, if I understood well, in the meristem the external part (tunica) made of three layers L1 to L3 are all made of Ponkan cells that are anticlinal cells when the inside part (corpus) is made of Moro cells that are periclinal. |
I'm not sure I understand all this...   
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Sylvain
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| Quote: | | As I understand it is an extreme rare form of chimera where the cells mixed and not like normal both 2 cells of the parent plants exist and cause the variegation. |
To have variegation one of the two kind of cells must be albinos. Here it is not the case.
This type of chimeras cannot be seen in the leaves because leaves are made of tunica cells. I think there is no corpus cells in the leaves. A better biologist than me could maybe confirm or not.
I don't know if this type is rare.
| Quote: | | "Sythetic" should mean that the creation of chimera was planned and not happened by accident. I guess it is a translation error. |
Yes you are right. It was made in purpose.
I don't use translators. It is only my bag English.  |
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Sanguinello
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| Posted: Sun 09 Dec, 2012 7:24 pm |
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You always see a variegation, also if not one of both is an albino.
Even human beings that are chimeras have that.
You always see the 2 different cell types.
Nevertheless, mostly one is albino, for the cells are often damaged. |
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Sylvain
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| Posted: Sun 09 Dec, 2012 7:37 pm |
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OK. It is just as you wish. |
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MarcV
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Radoslav
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Sanguinello
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| Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2012 6:56 am |
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Yes, same as in plants, also at animals embryons can melt together.
Just graft chimeras are really rare at human beings ... 
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they're quite common 