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Darkman Citruholic
Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 966 Location: Pensacola Florida South of I-10 Zone 8b/9a
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Posted: Thu 08 Aug, 2013 7:14 pm |
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This article presents some fresh ideas and hope on how to treat a HLB infected plant.
As I read through this article it is hard to decide if they cured or delayed the HLB. In some places it reads as a cure. Maybe they are just needing more evaluation time but this seems promising.
http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/2013/130805.htm _________________ Charles in Pensacola
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GT Citruholic
Joined: 11 Jul 2010 Posts: 393 Location: Beaumont, TX (zone 9a)
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Posted: Fri 09 Aug, 2013 1:00 am |
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Darkman, you are right, the article does sound like a cure is found and that would most certainly be a great news! Although, they don't say what seedlings were used in the study and one may suspect that different types of citrus might react differently to the treatment. Let's wait and hope the results will be confirmed.
Btw, a stupid question: to what temperature citrus can be heated before baking it? |
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Darkman Citruholic
Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 966 Location: Pensacola Florida South of I-10 Zone 8b/9a
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Posted: Fri 09 Aug, 2013 2:28 am |
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Well I think it is right at 112F. They said that a reduction for four hours allowed the leaves to rejuvenate.
Another thing I believe they were saying is that the disease starts in the leaf and slowly over time migrates to the roots. If I understood them correctly once it gets to the roots it is game over but until them heat treatment could help.
The key to all of this is a definitive test that can test the leaves and detect the disease years before it gets to the roots. As I understand it there is not a test yet although California is working on some promising results. _________________ Charles in Pensacola
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Scott_6B Citruholic
Joined: 11 Oct 2011 Posts: 251 Location: North Shore Massachusetts
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Posted: Fri 09 Aug, 2013 11:57 am |
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Very intriguing results, although I would be hesitant of calling it a "cure" at this point. Definitely more testing is necessary, but it could easily become a piece in the puzzle to combat HLB. I wonder how much $$$ this would cost on a large scale? The cost certainly would not be insignificant, given the number of "tents" and the labor requirements to move them around in a grove. |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Fri 09 Aug, 2013 12:02 pm |
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So how would it ever be possible to heat a orange grove. Heating might work on a tree or two, but some groves are a mile long and wide. - Millet |
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Scott_6B Citruholic
Joined: 11 Oct 2011 Posts: 251 Location: North Shore Massachusetts
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Posted: Fri 09 Aug, 2013 1:26 pm |
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I would envision circus tent like contraptions on wheels moved from tree to tree in a grove. Similar things have been done before. Here's an old pic of a mobile hydrogen cyanide gas fumigating tent for citrus used waaaaay back when in CA. I wonder how many of the laborers keeled over before they figured out this wasn't the best idea? Similar modern setups for heat treatment of trees could be used but this could be quite expensive, imagine doing this to several hundred thousand trees!
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Fri 09 Aug, 2013 6:04 pm |
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It would take a life time heat treating the commercial groves just in the single state of Florida. Single groves can have 500,000 trees plus. Florida nurseries in 2011 sold 3.1 million new citrus trees as HLB replacement trees in a single year. It would require an literal army of workers with tens of thousands of heat tents, which would be quickly followed by millions of Phyllids reinfecting the trees. On top of that millions of infected trees, not yet showing any disease symptoms of HLB, (it takes two year for symptoms up show up) would be passed over as a "healthy' tree. I'm very dubious. - Millet |
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Scott_6B Citruholic
Joined: 11 Oct 2011 Posts: 251 Location: North Shore Massachusetts
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Posted: Fri 09 Aug, 2013 7:15 pm |
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Millet, I concur. I struggle to see how such a setup could be profitable on a commercial scale... maybe if citrus got up to something crazy like $10/pound, lets hope it doesn't come to that. |
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GregMartin Citruholic
Joined: 12 Jan 2011 Posts: 265 Location: southern Maine, zone 5/6
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Posted: Fri 09 Aug, 2013 7:48 pm |
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If it only allows individuals to save their trees that's still fantastic news. |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sat 10 Aug, 2013 1:20 am |
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Darkman, citrus trees growing in the Southern California desert frequently withstand summer temperatures of 120F. -Millet |
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Darkman Citruholic
Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 966 Location: Pensacola Florida South of I-10 Zone 8b/9a
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Posted: Sat 10 Aug, 2013 10:47 pm |
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Millet wrote: | Darkman, citrus trees growing in the Southern California desert have frequently withstood summer temperatures of 120F. -Millet |
And those may never get infected.
I see this a clue not a cure. Something else has to occur to compliment this new discovery. We need some Star Trek scanners where you just drive by the trees and it tags all the infected trees at a very early stage of infection. Presumably if one was to know the exact spot of infection it could be as simple as removal of a single branch or stem.
Millet I agree it is not feasable to heat treat or to save the trees currently in ground. Those are pretty much goners. As my finite mind see this we have to be able to detect the infection and be able to identify exactly where on the tree it is.
Imagine the time saving if you could say the tree above three foot is infected so you cut it back to two feet. That tree, with it's mature healthy root system, would probably be back in production in two years.
Everything I've read states the infection SLOWLY travels through the limbs to the roots so selected removal may be an answer if we could only identify the good wood from the bad wood!
Then of course a select fire phazer that targets only ACP DNA set to kill not stun would be nice! _________________ Charles in Pensacola
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sun 11 Aug, 2013 2:23 am |
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Although a citrus tree does not die, as a point of information, the accepted high temperature where all citrus growth stops is 100.4 F (38 C). - Millet |
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turtleman Citrus Guru
Joined: 30 Nov 2008 Posts: 225 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sun 18 Aug, 2013 2:03 am |
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Cool,,, Glad Arizona is hot enough |
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