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Ned
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Posted: Fri 06 Oct, 2006 6:04 pm

I should know this, and think maybe I do, but I want to be sure. Is it legal to send citrus seeds to California. I have a request for Flying Dragon seed from there, but want to make sure it is ok to send them before putting them in the mail.

How about Florida and other citrus growing states?

Ned
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Ned
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Posted: Fri 06 Oct, 2006 7:50 pm

I just read Florida's statues on this, and it is pretty clear to me that citrus seeds cannot be shipped to that state. Until I learn otherwise, I assume other such states follow the same practice.

http://www.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0581/SEC182.HTM&Title=->2005->Ch0581->Section%20182#0581.182

To my seed offer I must add that I cannot send seed to any state where citrus are grown commerically, unless it can be ascertained that this is legal in that state. I will edit the original post to that effect.

Sorry, Ned
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jimmydo2



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Posted: Fri 06 Oct, 2006 7:54 pm

I went ahead and Sent an email to a contact with the California Citrus Clonal Protection program, and the California Citrus Varietal Collection, to find out what the california rules state.

When I get her response, I will let you know (actualy see her response)
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Ned
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Posted: Fri 06 Oct, 2006 8:31 pm

That is good. I just ran across this, which seems to indicate that you can ship seed to California, but I will wait a few days to see what you hear.

http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/phpps/pe/summary.htm

Maybe, when we get this all sorted out, we could post links to the pertinent regulations on the forum somewhere where they would be easy to find.

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Ned
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Posted: Fri 06 Oct, 2006 9:47 pm

This from Texas: http://www.nationalplantboard.org/docs/texas.doc

STATES REGULATED: All states; all areas outside Texas citrus zone

MATERIALS REGULATED: Any part of any citrus tree, including budwood, seed, or seedlings; ornamental plants closely related to citrus in the botanical family Rutaceae, subfamily Aurantioideae; and any article carrying or capable of carrying the plant pests or diseases.

RESTRCTIONS: Citrus trees, ornamental citrus trees and citrus nursery plants are prohibited entry into Texas. Citrus seed produced in California and commercial citrus fruit is exempt from these rules. To ship citrus budwood or citrus seed from any other state, please contact the department.
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Ned
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Posted: Fri 06 Oct, 2006 9:52 pm

And this be Louisiana's regulations

http://www.nationalplantboard.org/docs/lasq.pdf#search='Louisiana%20%20plant%20regulations'
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jimmydo2



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Posted: Fri 06 Oct, 2006 10:09 pm

Why Can't it just be easy for once....

I went ahead and called the phone number that was on the Link that Ned Posted.

The Simple answer was.....
.....
.....
Yes...... and..... No.....
Sigh
wait a minute what was the question...

Can citrus seeds be sent to california.....

Well It depends.....

(SIGH)

what kind of Seeds
Flying Dragon, and or Sour Orange (Rootstock Seed)

Where is it coming from....
Um Someones Backyard....

um how about from Colorado..

Sure no problem, but where did the plants origionaly come from...
Sigh

No Citrus Seeds, Plants, Fruit, Oils, Odors, the hint of, If it thinks it might have once ever been citrus like, and knows what florida is, then it can not come to california....

Hmm, OK (This seems very politicaly motivated... They make orange juice, We make orange Juice, hmm, I guess California should start banning Wisconson Cheese, because it is not from Happy Cows)

SO then I asked, "so if they are not from Florida, it is ok?"
and he said, um, depends on what state...

SO then I asked him what states are ok, and he told me I could email or call him with the state and he could tell me yea or Nae.... HMMM

So I asked him if there is a List..... and He said I could email him.... hey is there an echo here?

SO I asked again, and he said "We reference the Plant Quarenteen manual" so I asked if the Link I had was correct (a Drill down from Neds link.

It says available in HTML and PDF... Unfortunately the PDF is split into seperate Files, one for the TOC, and then one for each section... LOL

So now I am going to go through the page to find out what states can not send seeds to California... I will post my findings, if I still have any hair left when I am done...

Here is the link, if anyone wants to follow it themselves

http://pi.cdfa.ca.gov/pqm/manual/htm/pqm_index.htm

http://pi.cdfa.ca.gov/pqm/manual/htm/pqm_index.htm

Ouch this thing reads like a Stereo Instalation Manual
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jimmydo2



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Posted: Fri 06 Oct, 2006 10:39 pm

I am begining to think that the guy I talked to at the Ag department, had a Hearing problem. Especialy since he kept teling me to email him the state, when I asked for a List....

Because the More I read this stereo Instalation manual, all the Regs prohibiting citrus, state "Except seeds"

I will wait till I hear back from UCR before I make a Definitive decision on whether the guy from ag is nuts, but I will try calling the ag department again on Tuesday, perhaps I will get someone else Wink
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jimmydo2



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Posted: Sat 07 Oct, 2006 12:04 am

WOOHOO, I found the seed restrictions,
it was not for the Trizesta Virus.

it is for Citrus Canker

It says none of these plants or parts of plants (including seeds) can not come into COmercial Fruit areas from Florida

Common Name: Scientific Name
Calamondin orange: Citrus mitis
Citrus citron (Ethrog): Citrus medica
Grapefruit: Citrus paradisi
Kumquat: Fortunella japonica
Lemon: Citrus limon
Lime (Persian and Key): Citrus aurantifolia
Limequat: Citrus aurantifolia X Fortunella japonica
Mandarin orange: Satsuma orange
Tangerine: Citrus reticulata
Pummelo: Citrus maxima (C. grandis)
Sour orange: Citrus aurantium
Sweet orange: Citrus sinensis
Tangelo: Citrus paradisi X C. reticulata
Tangor: Citrus reticulata
Temple orange: X C. sinensis
Trifoliate orange: Poncirus trifoliata
Wampi: Clausena lansium

To these Commercial areas
D. Commercial Citrus Producing Areas.

The following are designated as commercial citrus producing areas:

American Samoa
Arizona
California
Florida
Guam
Hawaii
Louisiana
Northern Mariana Islands
Puerto Rico
Texas
Virgin Islands of the United States

I will continue looking for More Seed restrictions
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jimmydo2



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Posted: Fri 13 Oct, 2006 12:14 am

For those that are interested, the only seed restrictions involving california, are from the above mentioned restriction for Citrus Canker, and it is only for seed coming from Florida
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dauben
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Posted: Thu 05 Apr, 2007 2:35 am

Ned wrote:
I should know this, and think maybe I do, but I want to be sure. Is it legal to send citrus seeds to California. I have a request for Flying Dragon seed from there, but want to make sure it is ok to send them before putting them in the mail.

How about Florida and other citrus growing states?

Ned


I just found this link and thought it would fit into this thread.
http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/phpps/pe/summary.htm

It looks like there is an exception for all citrus seeds into California according the the first row on the table.

One question though. I just ordered sour orange seeds off of Ebay from a guy in Belize after looking at this table. Now I'm wondering if the table is valid for seeds from out of the country. Anyone have an answer?

Thanks,
Phillip
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mrtexas
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Posted: Thu 05 Apr, 2007 6:55 pm

The answer here is NO!!
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dauben
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Posted: Thu 05 Apr, 2007 7:10 pm

mrtexas wrote:
The answer here is NO!!


No in Texas or no in California? I went ahead and emailed the California Department of Food and Agriculture for clarification. When I get a response, I'll post it here.

Thanks,
Phillip
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