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sunmicroman



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Posted: Sun 04 Nov, 2012 6:33 pm

So, I bought a bag of Meyer Lemons at the store a few months back. It isn't beyond me being a citrus and hardy subtropical fruit enthusiast all of these years (which is the main reason I started the original "Hardy & Subtropical Board" in the summer of '97) to plant some seeds of store bought fruit and see what results I get.

So I planted some Meyer seeds to get a few Meyer seedlings. I only got two to germinate, but to my surprise one of the seedlings has trifoliate leaves!

Here is the pic:



As you can see, the seedling on the right looks like a normal Meyer seedling, but the one on the left appears to have trifoliate leaves. I wonder if I am going to get some kind of Meyer-Trifoliata hybrid from that little guy?
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Posted: Sun 04 Nov, 2012 7:49 pm

Meyer does not come true & yes it hybridizes quite easy.

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sunmicroman



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Posted: Sun 04 Nov, 2012 8:11 pm

Just would have thought there probably wouldn't be any Poncirus flowering anywhere near a grove of Meyer lemon trees in California or wherever the store bought fruit originated from. So that surprised me that there could have been a random hybrid seedling in it's offspring and makes me wonder if there was some Poncirus somewhere in the lineage of the particular fruit I planted the seed from.
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Posted: Sun 04 Nov, 2012 8:38 pm

Quite possible that it was pollinated from a rootstock that managed to send up a branch that flowered. Also possible that both of your seedlings could be pollinated from that rootstock if the rootstock was itself a Poncirus hybrid such as a citrange (in which case half of resulting plants would be trifoliate, half monofoliate).

Very cool, by the way.
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Radoslav
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Posted: Mon 05 Nov, 2012 5:40 am

Nice
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Sanguinello
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Posted: Mon 05 Nov, 2012 2:47 pm

Also possible that the genes of rootstock and scion mixed ...

Anyways ... maybe you have a hardy lemon now .. and hopefully it tastes well ...
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Posted: Mon 05 Nov, 2012 3:12 pm

Sanguinello wrote:
Also possible that the genes of rootstock and scion mixed ...


Sanguinello, I'm not sure if that could actually happen... Sunmicroman, anyway, would be very interesting watching it grow into a cold-hardy, fruit bearing tree with, hopefully, some tasty fruit.

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Posted: Mon 05 Nov, 2012 4:23 pm

Quote:
Also possible that the genes of rootstock and scion mixed ...

What do you mean?
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Posted: Mon 05 Nov, 2012 5:04 pm

Sunmicroman do a google search for Citremon.

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Posted: Mon 05 Nov, 2012 5:18 pm

Very nice find.
I am always puzzled that although Meyer is zygotic, there are not so many hybrids with it.
I know only eremolemon and possibly sunquat.
Last year I obtained several hybrid seedlings by pollination of my Swingle5* citrumelo with pollen of Meyer. About quarter of them are monofoliates.

If in your case the chance pollination was by some poncirus hybrid, I suggest that you keep all the seedlings, not only the trifoliate one.

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sunmicroman



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Posted: Mon 05 Nov, 2012 5:31 pm

Laaz wrote:
Sunmicroman do a google search for Citremon.


I know what a Citremon is and have attempted to grow it. I was thinking maybe this seedling could be a Meyer Citremon (Meyer x Poncirus). Or possibly a multi hybrid with a Poncirus heritage. Maybe even a new undiscovered Poncirus hybrid (my hope actually). I know that some very hardy hybrids have been discovered by a chance seedling planting (Juanita Tangerine is one that comes to mind and maybe the "Ten Degree Tangerine" too). It will definitely be interesting to see how this little seedling develops. I will also keep the other too.
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ilyaC
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Posted: Mon 05 Nov, 2012 5:58 pm

Quite sure that it is "a new undiscovered Poncirus hybrid"

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Posted: Sat 17 Nov, 2012 5:44 pm

sunmicroman, where do you live in the state? I have 2 - 8' Meyer lemon bushes/ trees growing in my front garden. I have just made 5 batches of Meyer lemon Marmalade and not one usable seed was found. I was hoping to find a few and germinate them as you did - but no luck.

Very interesting find.

Greg

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danero2004
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Posted: Sat 17 Nov, 2012 7:05 pm

I have handpolinated a meyer flower wiith a poncirus but got a replica of a meyer tree from the seed , no trifoliate leaves...just monofoliate...does this mean that is going to be a Meyer lemon ? Meyer was also grafted on trifoliata
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Posted: Sat 17 Nov, 2012 8:55 pm

No, it won't be a Meyer, but could produce a tree and fruit similar to a Meyer, or fairly different than the parent tree. - Millet.
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