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MarcV
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Posted: Sat 03 Apr, 2010 2:32 pm

I went citrus plant shopping today. I found a nursery nearby that sells red clementine plants among a lot of other citrus varieties.

This is a picture of the red clementine plant:



My plant doesn't carry any fruits, I preferred a plant with a good number of flowers instead. But there were others that did carry some fruits. I took one of those fruits home out of curiosity. It was deep orange on the outside and a mix of orange and red on the inside. The taste was very sweet. No picture of the fruit unfortunately...

I also bought a flying dragon...



This is my citrumelo plant that I bought by mail order a couple of weeks ago:



Both the citrumelo and flying dragon will be placed in the garden permanently when the weather finally gets better here.

For those interested, this is the web site of the nursery from which I got the red clementine:

http://www.plantencentrumexotica.be/
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Posted: Sat 03 Apr, 2010 3:03 pm

The Red Clementine is amazingly well balanced for being in such a small container for the size of the canopy. Normally, after a tree's root system becomes crowded inside a container a tree grows like tooth paste when the tube is squeezed - the growth becomes narrow and straight up.
You have an excellent Clementine. Personally, I have never seen a Red Clementine for sale in the USA. - Millet (1,018-)
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Posted: Sat 03 Apr, 2010 3:18 pm

Yes the red clementines looked exceptionally well indeed. The other citrus plants they had didn't look half as good. The reason might be that the red clementines just arrived from a large nursery in Sicily?...

And of course I picked a plant that looked good enough for me too! Laughing
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Posted: Sat 03 Apr, 2010 4:20 pm

Millet wrote:
The Red Clementine is amazingly well balanced for being in such a small container for the size of the canopy. Normally, after a tree's root system becomes crowded inside a container a tree grows like tooth paste when the tube is squeezed - the growth becomes narrow and straight up.
You have an excellent Clementine. Personally, I have never seen a Red Clementine for sale in the USA. - Millet (1,018-)


So Millet, do you think the container is actually too small? Should I put it in a larger one?
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Posted: Sat 03 Apr, 2010 5:11 pm

Slip your tree out of the container, and look at the root system to see if the roots have become over crowded, and are circling around and around the container's rim. Also examine the root structure on the bottom of the root ball. Then you will be able to tell what the needs of the tree are. - (1,018-)
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Posted: Mon 05 Apr, 2010 10:07 pm

Yes that is a beauty -- it looks like multiple trunks stem'ing from the graft point. Is that true?


"Red Clementine" is this the "Red Nules Clementine" new licensed/patented variety with all that controversy over the rights that won't ever be sold in the US for home gardens --- just the fruit?
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Posted: Tue 06 Apr, 2010 12:06 am

C4F wrote:
Yes that is a beauty -- it looks like multiple trunks stem'ing from the graft point. Is that true?


That is very common. There are often times multiple buds and will sprout multiple branches.

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Posted: Tue 06 Apr, 2010 4:12 am

This is a picture of the grafting point. There are 2 main branches. I'm not sure if this means there are 2 grafts or not...



Whether this is a "red nule" or not, I don't know. It appears that red nules are very well protected against "copying" but I suppose it must be possible for others to create a similar hybrid.
It is pictures like this one, and the fact that I love blood oranges, that "activated" my interest in red clementines:
(extracted from this web page: http://www.fruitiers.net/fiche.php?NumFiche=1823)



I don't know if my plant is the same as the one presented at that web site though...

I have another question regarding the size of the container. I measured the diameter of the root stock. It is almost 35mm in diameter at the base. (about 1 3/8"). What would be a good size for the container, as the current one may be too small...
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Posted: Tue 06 Apr, 2010 1:14 pm

It looks like it was cleft grafted with one scion stick on each side.

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Posted: Wed 07 Apr, 2010 2:13 pm

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It looks like it was cleft grafted with one scion stick on each side.



That's why I was asking, I wasn't very clear. On 75% of the citrus I see in stores on C32/35 have a split trunk a few inches above the graft. Some folks like them but I've found the that splits was usually a sucker b/c it's much, much too vigorous compared to the primary trunk.

But that pic looked like it was intentionally done at the graft point.

Looks nice.
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Posted: Wed 07 Apr, 2010 10:02 pm

Hard to tell, but I would say a bud.

Here is my variegated blood orange. Budded to swingle.



This is a grapefruit I cleft grafted.


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Posted: Thu 08 Apr, 2010 6:15 am

I think I'm in trouble here! My English vocabulary isn't large enough yet to understand all the words being used on this forum, especially regarding grafting. What, for instance, is a scion? Embarassed My native language is Dutch (Flemish, to be more precise Very Happy )

I can manage quite well in English but these words are all new to me. I would be grateful if anyone could help me enlarge my vocabulary! Wink
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Posted: Thu 08 Apr, 2010 6:24 am

MarcV wrote:
I What, for instance, is a scion?

Scion is a young shoot or twig of a plant, especially one cut for grafting or rooting.
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Posted: Wed 12 May, 2010 3:31 am

C4F wrote:
Yes that is a beauty -- it looks like multiple trunks stem'ing from the graft point. Is that true?


"Red Clementine" is this the "Red Nules Clementine" new licensed/patented variety with all that controversy over the rights that won't ever be sold in the US for home gardens --- just the fruit?


I found an Italian on line store which sells "Citrus tacle" (Citrus sinensis Tarocco x Citrus clementina). Although the label on my plant doesn't say so, I guess this is what my plant might be.

This is the page on the web site:
http://www.florealia.com/DetailProduct.aspx?ID=3434

The layout of the web site is a bit messy. Italian design I guess... Laughing

Googling "citrus tacle" does bring up some more information, but mostly (uninteresting) patent stuff. Here is some more useful info...

http://www.sicilsapori.net/index.php?lang=en&p=4&d=9

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Posted: Mon 06 Sep, 2010 3:42 pm

I want mandadine red please help me Sad
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