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Steve
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Posted: Thu 18 Oct, 2007 5:48 pm

Hello,
I want to ask, what you sue to oil you best garden shears. I use Ballistol but if there is something better. Just tell me what you use....

Second: I am trying to get a good desinfection solution for my budding knife. Since yet, I use a household desinfection solution, which contains Benzalkonium Chlorid and Ammonium chlorid and idustrial alcohol for desinfection.
The usuall recommended household bleach is not available in Germany and hydrogenium super oxid is very diffucult to get in local pharmacies. (the police found a terrorists shop, were hydrogenium super oxide was stored, to build bombs, and yet the regulatories about hydrogenium super oxide are very reglemented by law.)

So what else can I use for desinfection of my budding knife and without harming the plant and buds?

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Posted: Thu 18 Oct, 2007 6:16 pm

Steve wrote:
Hello,
So what else can I use for desinfection of my budding knife and without harming the plant and buds?


I also use blowtorch for instant sterilization of pruning cuts. I dip my budding knife in 70% alcohol, clean the gunk by wiping with paper towel (gunk or resins dissolve nicely in alcohol), then after 5 minutes, blow torch it for 5 seconds. It dries to sterile conditions., doesn't burn the handles and other things. Let cool before handling.

I have a propane torch that I use for soldering copper pipes. Sometimes, I use it as a flamethrower against the ants. I would soak the mound, all the ants go uphill, then I blowtorch them.

Also it is recommended to blowtorch the blades of the pruning shears before starting with a new tree. Also recommended is to blowtorch the newly cut portion to seal it. There are specific seconds of flame duration on various stone fruits and citruses. You wouldn't want to burn the limbs, only to sterilize and dry out the cuts.
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Posted: Thu 18 Oct, 2007 6:56 pm

Oh, a blowtorch isn't realy what I want to use.
For flaming ants and as a 'hot herbicide', well good... but for a knife...
Themperature will allways have effect to metal, especially to the cutting edge of a knife of a shears. So bringing the edge of such a valuable tool to high temperatures is not very good for any prunning or cutting tool.
That's why my good kitchen knife does not get machine washed or washed with to high temperatures.

So, please excuse, but flame desinfection would not be realy an alternative to me.

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Posted: Thu 18 Oct, 2007 7:06 pm

I thought Germans use high quality stainless steel that are annealed at ultra-high temperature?

I have several pruning saw, knives, shears, given as a gift by a good friend from Germany, and they're the best that I've used even with propane torch.

I sharpen my swiss budding knife with a leather strap from time to time.

Taking out a bud from budstick, I now use a carpet blade cutter which is ultra-sharp. After about 200 buds cut, I throw away the blade and pop in a super sharp new replacement blade. No need to sharpen nor clean. 2 dozen blades is about $7. That's about a whole year's supply without stopping to sharpen.
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Posted: Fri 19 Oct, 2007 2:29 pm

Dear Joe,
because of the high quality, I would not use a blowtorch. A smith once told me: "A blade sees the fire only once: When it is made and annealed!"
Each time more will affect the cutting edge and bring it close to annealinf temperatures again and affect only the sharpest part of the blade: The cutting edge. Each putting in flame will soften the cutting edge more and more.... so I believe in the smith and do not hold I cutting edge into the fire.

Because as higher the quality, like the famous damast forged blades, as more snesitive the cutting edgge is.

That's why I asked.... because some liquids can also affect the cutting edge.

After a tip now, I will try sodium hypochloride, which is available here in Germany, as desinfection.
For oiling it seems that continuing to use the Ballistol.

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Posted: Fri 19 Oct, 2007 3:41 pm

while the smith may be correct, I did not experience degradation in quality, at least not in my lifetime. What the smith has suggested might be for tools that can be passed on down to generations, then we can see the long term effects. Practically at the rate of inventions and technological developments, either the tools will get replaced or recycled but who among the future generation would want to inherit old tools anyway? I am not sure they would even find the passion like we do.

All chloride containing cleansing chemicals are sure to corrode metals and can make the sharp blades dull. So I would use new blades which are still way cheaper for the cutter.

There are chemical sharpeners though, have you looked into that?
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Posted: Sat 20 Oct, 2007 12:36 pm

A cleaning product like Rohrfrei has enough bleach in it to easily sterilize.
However, there is also caustic products in it, I don't know if they would damage a knife.

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Posted: Sat 20 Oct, 2007 8:14 pm

SusanB wrote:
A cleaning product like Rohrfrei has enough bleach in it to easily sterilize.


Well, Susan, U might be right, but a 'Rohrfrei' product is very corrosive, because not only containing bleach, also containing often high oxigen amounts and acids, so it will cause much more blade destructive energy than a blowtorch.

So much better are toilett cleaners, because here a high desinfection chloride solution is inside, with some soap. So you can sterilize the blade, rinse in water to remove the soap and get a clean cut.
Thanks for the 'invisible' man, who simple showed up the tipp!

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Posted: Sat 20 Oct, 2007 8:59 pm

Talking to Bonnie on the telephone last night he told me that most all professional budders just use a simple bleach solution.
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Posted: Sat 20 Oct, 2007 9:00 pm

Yes, products like that are corrosive, but you aren't soaking your knife in it, only cleaning?

How are you guys sterilizing your tools, anyhow?

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Posted: Sat 20 Oct, 2007 9:28 pm

I use bleach mixed 1 part to 10 or stronger. I keep this in an old spray bottle and renew the bottle fairly often because I have heard the bleach will turn to a gas and vaporize rather quickly. After the knife is sterile, I rinse it in clean water. Before I put the knife up (utility knife included), I oil it with WD 40 and wipe it clean before I put it up.

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Posted: Sat 20 Oct, 2007 9:54 pm

Ned, do you just spray and rinse or do you let the bleach stay there for a while?
Oh, my husband Mr. Wizard just told me 10 minutes! For spore formers like bacilli. For everything else, like yeast, 1minute. He also said organisms like Erwinia only need a few seconds.
He also said a 1% solution should be fine. I think my old boss (Mr. Bleach) would say even less.

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Posted: Thu 01 Nov, 2007 12:56 am

Susan, I just dip it, but I do leave in the bleach for maybe 5 to 10 seconds to make sure it is thoroughly wet. I have never seen any guidelines as to how long. I have often thought that adding a surfactant, or sticker spreader, to the bleach solution, might help the bleach adhere to the knife better. I have also wondered in the spray oil has a sterilizing effect. I would guess it does to some extent.

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