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jcaldeira Citruholic
Joined: 06 Jan 2012 Posts: 98 Location: Fiji Islands
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Posted: Sun 02 Sep, 2012 2:15 am |
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Does grapefruit do okay on its own roots, or is it better to graft? I have a few Rio Star seedlings started from supermarket fruit. They're pencil thickness now, and I'm wondering if I should plant them out on their own roots or graft them to either rough lemon or sour orange. Both of those rootstocks are proven in my area.
My interest is primarily the health of the plant, but also fruit quality. My climate is tropical wet/dry, temperatures moderated by ocean (no salt problem, though). Soil is clay-loam.
One option I am considering is grafting it onto sour orange (sweeter fruit than rough lemon) and letting the original Rio Star seedling re-sprout as a backup. Your thoughts?
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5655 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Sun 02 Sep, 2012 9:30 am |
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Grapefruit do fine on their own roots. I have two Ruby reds I grew from seed, both started fruiting in the fifth year. Both produce loads of excellent fruit each year. _________________ Wal-Mart a great place to buy cheap plastic crap ! http://walmartwatch.com/ ...
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Malcolm_Manners Citrus Guru
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 676 Location: Lakeland Florida
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Posted: Sun 02 Sep, 2012 12:01 pm |
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While grapefruit on their own roots can make a fine tree, there are several reasons to choose to graft them instead:
1. By placing the scion on a selected rootstock, you can gain several more degrees of cold hardiness over an own-root tree.
2. Grapefruit roots and lower trunks are highly susceptible to phytophthora root rot and foot rot (crown rot). By grafting rather high on a resistant rootstock, you can greatly reduce the likelihood of that disease.
3. Some rootstocks (sour orange, Swingle, Poncirus) will cause a grapefruit to produce higher quality fruit -- sweeter and more richly flavored.
4. Some rootstocks will give some size control, important in grapefruit since it is inherently such a large-growing citrus tree. |
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5655 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Sun 02 Sep, 2012 12:59 pm |
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They do get rather large on their own roots.
The fruit from my tress are much tastier than the fruit from the store. Maybe because the fruit is picked long before it reaches the store. _________________ Wal-Mart a great place to buy cheap plastic crap ! http://walmartwatch.com/ ...
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Malcolm_Manners Citrus Guru
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 676 Location: Lakeland Florida
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Posted: Sun 02 Sep, 2012 1:26 pm |
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Or because you actually leave it on the tree until it's truly mature, Laaz! But the very highest quality grapefruit are those grown in a hot, humid climate, slightly nitrogen-deficient, and left to full maturity on the tree, on Sour Orange rootstock. The three places that vie for top quality are the Texas coast, the Indian River area of Florida, and Cuba. |
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5655 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Sun 02 Sep, 2012 1:37 pm |
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Thanks Malcolm. I may graft one to sour orange to test. We are definitely hot & humid enough. Between living here & where I lived in Pompano Beach, it feels a whole lot hotter here in the summer than in Pompano. Probably because there was always a breeze blowing there. Here it is dead air with extreme humidity. _________________ Wal-Mart a great place to buy cheap plastic crap ! http://walmartwatch.com/ ...
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5655 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Sun 02 Sep, 2012 4:36 pm |
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_________________ Wal-Mart a great place to buy cheap plastic crap ! http://walmartwatch.com/ ...
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Malcolm_Manners Citrus Guru
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 676 Location: Lakeland Florida
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Posted: Sun 02 Sep, 2012 11:39 pm |
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Good luck, Laaz. Surely your summers are hot enough, but your winters may hold you back. Most Florida grapefruit is not really fully mature until after Christmas, with some varieties (Marsh seedless, e.g.) more like April for peak quality. |
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Darkman Citruholic
Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 966 Location: Pensacola Florida South of I-10 Zone 8b/9a
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Posted: Mon 03 Sep, 2012 12:42 am |
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I had one of my pink seedless grapefruit blow off about four days ago.
I decided to try it (even though it had been laying on my deck since it fell) and was surprised that it wasn't too bad. It wasn't as juicy as I would have liked and since it was not full size it had thicker cell membranes. They flavor was still very good though. Interior color was excellent. Exterior had a blush of color at about 50%. _________________ Charles in Pensacola
Life - Some assembly required, As is no warranty, Batteries not included, Instructions shipped separately and are frequently wrong!
Kentucky Bourbon - It may not solve the problem but it helps to make it tolerable! |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Mon 03 Sep, 2012 1:56 am |
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It would be nice if grapefruit growers held their fruit on the tree until after Christmas, or until April before they were marketed. If so, I believe more people would like supermarket grapefruit. Presently what is marketed in the stores is certainly OK, but regrettably not at peak quality. I grow Star Ruby grapefruit in a warm greenhouse in Colorado, but unfortunately keeping the greenhouse heated at high levels throughout the winter months would cost way to much money. I try to keep the night temperatures during the winter at 50F (10C). Even at this, the cost is approximately $4,000.00 dollars per year to heat it as is. Still the grapefruit turns out quite acceptable. I get to eat it all, as my wife does not like grapefruit. - Millet |
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Darkman Citruholic
Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 966 Location: Pensacola Florida South of I-10 Zone 8b/9a
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Posted: Mon 03 Sep, 2012 11:39 am |
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Millet wrote: | I get to eat it all, as my wife does not like grapefruit. - Millet |
I on the other hand am not supposed to eat them since I take cholesterol medicine. Even though I have virtually eliminated eggs, bacon, pork, red meat, fried foods, etc.... my levels will not come down and the doctor told me I am genetically predisposed to have high levels.
Ain't that a b..ch. With the medicine I can achieve acceptable levels as long as I eliminate all the "good things" in life!
If I have a good crop quality wise I may send you some Millet. It would be good to have an experienced refined palate taste and evaluate them. I just might be a little bit biased. _________________ Charles in Pensacola
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Mon 03 Sep, 2012 12:22 pm |
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I also take a cholesterol medicine (Pravastatin), but I still eat grapefruit. We eat breakfast at home Monday through Friday, but go out for breakfast on the weekends, then I always order a side of that wonderful tasting meat --- bacon. - Millet |
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5655 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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jcaldeira Citruholic
Joined: 06 Jan 2012 Posts: 98 Location: Fiji Islands
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Posted: Thu 11 Oct, 2012 4:35 pm |
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Malcolm_Manners wrote: | While grapefruit on their own roots can make a fine tree, there are several reasons to choose to graft them instead:
1. By placing the scion on a selected rootstock, you can gain several more degrees of cold hardiness over an own-root tree.
2. Grapefruit roots and lower trunks are highly susceptible to phytophthora root rot and foot rot (crown rot). By grafting rather high on a resistant rootstock, you can greatly reduce the likelihood of that disease.
3. Some rootstocks (sour orange, Swingle, Poncirus) will cause a grapefruit to produce higher quality fruit -- sweeter and more richly flavored.
4. Some rootstocks will give some size control, important in grapefruit since it is inherently such a large-growing citrus tree. |
Thank you, everyone, for the advice. I've gone ahead and grafted onto sour orange, but am also keeping the grapefruit seedlings to regrow on their own roots. I'm curious to learn of differences in flavor and years to fruiting.
John |
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hoosierquilt Site Admin
Joined: 25 Oct 2010 Posts: 970 Location: Vista, California USA
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Posted: Thu 11 Oct, 2012 8:34 pm |
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Dr. Manners, don't forget our S. California deserts for delicious grapefruit. I can actually grow exceptional grapefruits if I stick varieties like Rio Red. I leave my fruit on the tree until February, and even in my tree's first year in the ground with me, they were delicious. Of course, we're really more Oroblanco/Melogold territory here, but my Rio Red was so good, I bought a second one. I have a question for you, however: You are so, so right about grapefruit (and especially pummelos) being very susceptible to phytothphora. That was what was doing in my pummelos/pummelo hybrids due to being on Troyer/Carizzo. What rootstock would you suggest for oranges and mandarins, as well as grapefruits/pummelos that will be more resistant to phytophthora as well as provide reasonably sized trees producing good fruit? Right now, I'm using C35 or C32 (if I can get it), and for my Cocktail pummelo hybrid, Volkameriana (since the Cocktail tends to be a small tree to start with). And Millet, if you're worried about your statin, ask your doctor if you can change to Pravacol or Crestor, it is not contraindicated with grapefruits and pummelos. _________________ Patty S.
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