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jjp
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Posted: Wed 06 Feb, 2008 4:50 pm

Can it be a navel ?



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Posted: Wed 06 Feb, 2008 5:06 pm

Cara-cara Navel?
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Posted: Wed 06 Feb, 2008 5:13 pm

It's not a cara cara, but a Sokotoro blood orange.
I believe sokotoro is not a navel orange, but i have a doubt...
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Posted: Wed 06 Feb, 2008 6:52 pm

You're right. The pigmentation is pronounced, so indeed it is a pigmented orange. The one on cara-cara, altough the color looked the same from a distance, is more uniform.
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Posted: Wed 06 Feb, 2008 7:47 pm

Cara cara pigment is lycopene ( and maybe carotene ? ) , and most blood orange pigment is antocyanins ?

a cara cara fruit not ripe yet Crying or Very sad :

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Posted: Thu 07 Feb, 2008 12:12 am

Is Sokotoro just a local name for the orange, and not an actual varietal name? I look up Sokotoro Blood Orange in the World Citrus Dictionary Vol. -2, and the name is not listed. - Millet
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Posted: Thu 07 Feb, 2008 2:24 am


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Posted: Thu 07 Feb, 2008 9:10 am

Yes, I knew the link, but i have never found any information about sokotoro nowhere else. Crying or Very sad
I've bought the tree in a nursery here, and the fruit are now mature. They are easy to peel.
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Posted: Thu 07 Feb, 2008 12:58 pm

jjp wrote:
Yes, I knew the link, but i have never found any information about sokotoro nowhere else. Crying or Very sad


Then be the very first one to describe the leaves, the tree structure and its vigor, the fruits, its peel texture and color, describe the extent of pigmentation, how many segments, seeds, flavor, when does it usually bloom compared to others, when is the peak flavor, try to experiment if it is a good keeper by leaving many on the tree and sampling every week, and other descriptions. And if you post it, you will have the best description in the world. That would be an honor.
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Posted: Thu 07 Feb, 2008 4:08 pm

It's a very good idea, but I don't really know enough words to describe a fruit ! Confused
I can just say that this orange is easy to peel, early maturing, seedless...
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Posted: Thu 07 Feb, 2008 5:28 pm

If you can send me some fruits, I'd gladly describe them for you! Very Happy

but that won't be allowed unless you have to go through the eye of a needle in terms of regulations on importation and exportation.
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Posted: Thu 07 Feb, 2008 7:49 pm

Who is the supplier of this variety? Joe, their is a red Valencia that I believe is available here in the States. Is the Sokotoro the same variety? - Millet
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Posted: Thu 07 Feb, 2008 8:17 pm

Millet, I have not come across the Red Valencia being referred to as Sokotoro. As far as I know, the Red Valencia is a selection from within California. Red Valencia is now named as Red Smith and is grouped together as the other blood or pigmented oranges because the harvest date is no longer the same as any of the other Valencias.

http://www.citrusvariety.ucr.edu/citrus/smithred.html

History: Smith Red is a pigmented sport of a conventional Valencia orange tree. The mother tree was growing in a home garden in Moorpark, CA, and a branch was observed to be producing fruit with a pronounced red rind blush and strong red internal color. Seeds were saved from a fruit sample and brought to the local farm advisor, N Sakovich. The seeds were germinated and the most promising seedling was selected for release.

Characteristics: The tree is a vigorous grower and carries good crops of fruit. The fruit is of good size and flavor and is very low-seeded. As noted above, the rind frequently carries a heavy red blush and the flesh is heavily pigmented by anthocyanin. The fruit shape is somewhat variable at present, globose to ovoid with a depressed base, possibly due to the juvenility of the subject trees. Although the fruit is mature in late winter, it holds well on the tree into late spring, well past the season for conventional blood oranges.
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Posted: Thu 07 Feb, 2008 8:38 pm

Thanks for posting the pic Laaz!

Take note the name RED VALENCIA, it one and the same set of pics used for displaying Smith Red in this Link:
http://www.citrusvariety.ucr.edu/citrus/smithred.html

Thus, all evidences point out that Smith Red = Red Valencia.

I have grouped Red Valencia or Smith Red as blood oranges long before UCR regrouped it. My evidence is that I have grafted it unto my Pigmented orange tree about 3 years ago. Last year's fruits were aborted, but this year, I have BIG MEAN BRANCHES from my Smith Red and hope to savor it about same time next year. I'm counting the eggs now, not the chicks.
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