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jrb Citruholic
Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 165 Location: Idaho Falls, ID zone 4A
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Posted: Wed 06 Apr, 2011 7:31 pm |
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I've seen a few farm cats that would take on and kill some pretty big rattle snakes that were much larger that the cats. _________________ Jim
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Stoddo2k11 Citruholic
Joined: 14 Feb 2011 Posts: 98 Location: Seatte, WA, USA, North America, Earth, Milky Way
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Posted: Thu 07 Apr, 2011 3:02 am |
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cats can kill snakes due to speed and stamina. Most snakes can't attack too many times before tiring, and they get slower and slower (and some tire quickly). With mongooses and meerkats, its speed and experience and too many attacks coming from different directions. I'll bet with a small mongoose pack even coyotes would learn to leave them alone, although they'd need some underground protection. I was 10 feet from a 15-20 member strong mongoose pack in Zimbabwe many years ago, they didn't consider me even a small threat they just went about looking for bugs and things to eat.
Most all snakes are ambush predators, once the surprise is over they will almost always retreat, didn't you guys see that online video of that rabbit attacking the snake that retreated up a tree? |
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Darkman Citruholic
Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 968 Location: Pensacola Florida South of I-10 Zone 8b/9a
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Posted: Fri 08 Apr, 2011 1:02 am |
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At the risk of sounding stupid what is a snake fence? Here in Florida we have big rattlers and they can lift their head almost two thirds of their body length. All they have to do is hook their head on the top and they are over. The fence would have to be slick as porcelain to prevent them from crawling up. One thing that does work is balls of bird netting small mesh which they crawl in and eventually get stuck. A big rattler would never get stuck since his head is a big as a man's fist and he would just go over it. I can't imagine anything being sticky enough to hold a snake. Unless you cut into the gut when you sliced the snake I'd say he is alive and pissed. Good luck. _________________ Charles in Pensacola
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hoosierquilt Site Admin
Joined: 25 Oct 2010 Posts: 970 Location: Vista, California USA
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Posted: Fri 08 Apr, 2011 1:35 am |
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Snake fencing is basically 3' high hardware cloth. We sink it into the ground. It will keep out nearly all of our California snakes. _________________ Patty S.
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Darkman Citruholic
Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 968 Location: Pensacola Florida South of I-10 Zone 8b/9a
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Posted: Sat 09 Apr, 2011 11:25 pm |
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Fortunately rattlers no longer live in my neighborhood (not enough prey). Less than ten miles from here they are plentiful. The few snakes I have seen at my house are black snakes and eastern hognose snakes. The hardware cloth would not stop many snakes that live in the Eastern US. Glad it works for you. _________________ Charles in Pensacola
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Sven_limoen Citruholic
Joined: 08 Apr 2011 Posts: 305 Location: Vlaams-Brabant, Belgium, Zone 8
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Posted: Sun 10 Apr, 2011 10:56 am |
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I wouldn't kill it. Crotalus and Sistrurus are very nice species. |
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5679 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Sun 10 Apr, 2011 11:43 am |
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This is one caught here in SC last summer about 50 miles from me. They said it was over 10 ft.
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hoosierquilt Site Admin
Joined: 25 Oct 2010 Posts: 970 Location: Vista, California USA
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Posted: Sun 10 Apr, 2011 12:14 pm |
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Okay, the very loud thumping sound you have all hear is me fainting and hitting the floor. That looks like something out of a bad B horror movie. OMG. My snake wasn't that big, but for rattlers, it was large. Our particular variety of rattlesnake - Southern Pacific rattlesnake - is one of the larger varieties, but no where NEAR that size. I estimate mine was about 5 to 6', and about 3 to 31/3" in diameter. With a very long rattle, so it was pretty mature. That would be a deal-breaker for me, moving to SC!! EEK. _________________ Patty S.
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Sven_limoen Citruholic
Joined: 08 Apr 2011 Posts: 305 Location: Vlaams-Brabant, Belgium, Zone 8
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Posted: Sun 10 Apr, 2011 2:06 pm |
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The one on the picture is a large specimen indeed. Never seen them so big. Must be one of a kind. The funny part is people here actually buy these snakes on conventions :d |
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5679 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Sun 10 Apr, 2011 2:32 pm |
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It is a Eastern Diamondback. They are probably one of the largest rattlers. _________________ Wal-Mart a great place to buy cheap plastic crap ! http://walmartwatch.com/ ...
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5679 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Sun 10 Apr, 2011 2:35 pm |
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mrtexas Citruholic
Joined: 02 Dec 2005 Posts: 1030 Location: 9a Missouri City,TX
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Posted: Mon 11 Apr, 2011 12:31 am |
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mrtexas wrote: | Rattlesnakes swim as well. I saw a dead 6 footer that filled up the better part of a 5 gallon pail while living in Florida as a teenager. It was caught while swimming in the canal across the steet. |
Here is my jar of eastern diamondback rattler snakeheads:
The snakes came from my home near Cape Kennedy, FL circa December 1968. We lived less than a block from the jungle on pumped in land that used to be a marsh. The heads have been in a jar of alcohol since then. My family was in Florida since my dad was a rocket engineer scientist. His crew of 150 engineers, one of two crews launched the moon rockets for the Boeing company.
The story: in my youth age 14 years I picked up by hand an alive 4 foot eastern diamondback! I cut it's head off and put it in the jar. The snake head by the ruler is from a 5 foot rattler. Someone gave me the dead severed head from the 5 footer. The other snake head to the left with the visible fangs is from the 4 foot one I cut the head off of. This was not my only dealings with live snakes. Once I almost stepped on a full sized 18 inch pigmy rattler coiled and ready to strike. I happened to look down and see him about 8 inches from my foot, luckily before he struck. I grabbed him, took him home and put him in the jar also.
Someone also gave me a dead 6 foot plus rattler sans the head that took up the better part of a 5 gallon bucket. The snake was near 6 inches in diameter at the largest. It was pulled out of the brackish water canal across from my house. Whoever said rattlesnakes can't swim never got the word to this one!
I get a shudder just thinking about it now! How easily I could have been bitten/killed/maimed/hand amputated. Well this is another example of the the young thinking they are invincible. Stupid would be more like it!
Before I retired I used to keep the jar of snakes at work since my wife didn't like it around the house. One time a woman janitor refused to clean my room until I hid the jar. Another friend would not come visit me if the jar was on my desk. He was deathly afraid of even a picture of any snake, poisonous or otherwise. I now wish I'd have known him before I picked up the live snake!
That's me, the tallest one age 14. Cute huh? The 6 foot long rattlesnake I mean. Notice the neck of the snake being wrist sized!
I wonder what ever happened to the 3 neighbor kids. The dark headed one became a mechanical engineer graduate from Washington State in Pullman. I was chemical engineer graduate from University of Washington. Us big city sophisticates from Seattle used to call WSU a cow college. |
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hoosierquilt Site Admin
Joined: 25 Oct 2010 Posts: 970 Location: Vista, California USA
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Posted: Mon 11 Apr, 2011 1:30 am |
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That was the size of the rattler in my yard, mrtexas, just like what you were holding in the photo (you were a very cut kid btw!). it was that big around. Now, I have seen many, many rattlers. We've killed several on our property. But, I have never seen one this large ever and certainly never gottn this close! It was intimidating, and that I was inches from it was what really got me. And you're right about kids feeling invincible, I really remember feeling like superman myself at that age Amazing story. _________________ Patty S.
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Stoddo2k11 Citruholic
Joined: 14 Feb 2011 Posts: 98 Location: Seatte, WA, USA, North America, Earth, Milky Way
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Posted: Mon 11 Apr, 2011 3:25 am |
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LOL, I guess there are advantages to living in Seattle - everything thinks it too cold including poisonous snakes/scorpions/spiders, etc.
I was in the Peace Corps many years ago in Lesotho a mountainous Southern African nation - also cold (in winter), and one of only 2 African countries that didn't have malaria (too cold for malaria mosquitos). While in Lesotho I only saw small juvenile cobras (3 feet long thin as pencil) but black adders did exist. |
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