Citrus Growers Forum

Laaz · Posted: Tue 29 Mar, 2011 1:33 am

Out of all the rootstocks mentioned, only Flying dragon will keep a tree at 10 ft or under. FD does produce very high quality fruit here in the SE.

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g000n · Posted: Tue 29 Mar, 2011 2:26 am

@Patty - Wow, if you are a newbie, man I feel like an absolute dork. Thanks for the brain dump on all the rootstock, that was a very very good summary on most of the common types. It was really appreciated!

@Millet - I misspoke about the fruit quality of FD, I had intended to say "fruit size" in reference to an earlier post from you: "Fruit Size = A little smaller than fruit grown on a full size tree." At the moment all my trees are from Four Winds and I agree of all the growers available in SoCal, these appear to be the healthiest, and best value for my purposes.

I'm also glad to hear you have had good success with Yuzu as a rootstock. I have a mature Yuzu that I was planning to take seeds from this season and grow for rootstock. What size do the trees on Yuzu rootstock get to, would they become standard size? Thanks for your well wishes for my first try at this.

@Laaz - Do the Cuban Shaddock get close to the FD's 10ft height? Thanks.

All this has been a great discussion, and I'm really thankful to you all for edumacating me! Wink

hoosierquilt · Posted: Tue 29 Mar, 2011 2:43 am

Well, sort of a newbie Smile

I'm a Master Gardener, that always had citrus in my yard, but I never really paid attention to the finer details, as citrus is one of the lovely, nearly problem-free plants for us here in S. California. When I decided to put in a real home orchard, and see if I could add some more unusual varieties, I realized I was going to have to learn a thing or two! Especially if I was going to have to graft to get the varieties I'm looking for.

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turtleman · Posted: Tue 29 Mar, 2011 2:46 am

It's the salts..........

trifoliate's are very sensitive to them, neutralize the salt and they preform well.... even in some of our areas (and that's saying allot) They'll do well in North County also.

Laaz · Posted: Tue 29 Mar, 2011 3:06 am

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hoosierquilt · Posted: Tue 29 Mar, 2011 12:08 pm

Wow, Laaz. This looks like UCR Citrus Station's first rootstock trial. Very interesting!!

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Darkman · Posted: Wed 30 Mar, 2011 4:39 am

Millet wrote:

Darkman Kuharske is not all that bad of a root stock. Kuharske reacts well against freezes and drought conditions. Also has resistance against most common citrus viruses, and should produce large sized fruit of intermediate up to good quality fruit as the tree ages. Kuharske is a vigorous root stock and can produce larger trees. You should have some nice trees. Remember, no matter what root stock is used, a tree generally does not produce it best tasting fruit until it is approximately 5 years of age. However, Xie Shan frequently produces fairly good tasting fruit in year 1 or 2. If you are going to the 2011 Citrus Expo in Florida next November, it would be a pleasure to meet you. - Millet (658-)

Thanks Millet,

Your comments on the freeze attributes gives me great comfort as the desire to use the PT is primarily for cold hardiness and growth regulation second. Having the Xie Shan on Kurharske may end up being a great blessing. I may move the XS to the north side of the garden to prevent any shading issues with smaller slower growing trees.

The standard disclaimer of "best fruit after five years" is that five years in ground or five years from grafting or is it really a time frame that best decribes when an average tree is at a certain point in maturity?

I am going to try very hard to make the Expo and likewise I am looking forward to meeting you and hopefully others from the forum.

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buddinman · Posted: Wed 30 Mar, 2011 11:40 am

I have friends in deep South Louisiana that really like the Rich 6-16 root stock. I have 2 satsuma trees on Flying Dragon that I have had since the spring of 1985. They produce excellent quality fruit, are in full bloom at the present time and have had no cold protection for the last 2 winters.

buddinman · Posted: Wed 26 Oct, 2011 1:02 pm

First, I have 3 trees on Flying Dragon understock that were gave to me in the spring of 1985, Owari, Kimbrough and Armstrong Early. This year the Armstrong Early was dug up and replaced with Miyagawa. All have done well on Flying Dragon understock. In my opiniom the trees on FD make a nice size yard tree. They have been very productive an have produced a lot of excellent fruit that is shared with friends and neighbors.

Darkman · Posted: Fri 28 Oct, 2011 12:39 am

buddinman wrote:

First, I have 3 trees on Flying Dragon understock that were gave to me in the spring of 1985, Owari, Kimbrough and Armstrong Early. This year the Armstrong Early was dug up and replaced with Miyagawa. All have done well on Flying Dragon understock. In my opiniom the trees on FD make a nice size yard tree. They have been very productive an have produced a lot of excellent fruit that is shared with friends and neighbors.

I'm assuming there were other trees that could have been replaced so what made you choose the Armstrong Early?

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