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		| AnnaLee 
 
 
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				| Posted: Sat 02 Dec, 2006 9:17 pm |  
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				| I am new to the forum and for a couple of years proud owner of a grapefruit I started from a ruby red seed.  The plant has since died, but we have never forgotten the pretty, white, intoxicating blossoms it produced.  Please tell me, which of your container grown citrus do you think has the most fragrant blossoms?  Thanks much,
Anne
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		| JoeReal Site Admin
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Sun 03 Dec, 2006 12:28 am |  
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				| My Sanguinelli blood orange has almost literally the sweetest smelling citrus blossom. Of cours, it smells like orange citrus blossoms but this one is caramelized! It has caramel like sweetness in its aroma.  |  |  
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		| Skeeter Moderator
 
  
 
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				| Posted: Sun 03 Dec, 2006 2:37 am |  
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				| Joe, have you ever smelled bergamot orange---it must be pretty  good since they use it in perfumes.  |  |  
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		| JoeReal Site Admin
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Sun 03 Dec, 2006 3:10 am |  
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				| Yes, just a little bit disappointing. The smell is similar to that of Earl Grey Tea.  |  |  
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		| JoeReal Site Admin
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Sun 03 Dec, 2006 3:31 am |  
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				| But that was not a fair sample for bergamot. It had few flowers, and variegated type, not the regular one.
 Anyway, during mid-spring, it is hard to go out to smell the individual citruses for better comparison as my yard would be loaded with bees during warm days. but night time are like heavenly but could not see the labels.
 
 for sure, according to my nose, the smell of lemon flowers, although are very good, would be among the lowest ranks, with the blood oranges on the top. Middle range would be the grapefruits and pummelos. I'll try to do a better comparison next time.
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		| BabyBlue11371 Site Admin
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Sun 03 Dec, 2006 4:22 am |  
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				| I have to agree with Joe on the lemon smell.. After smelling my Blood Orange, Grapefruit and Meiwa Kumquat I was very disapointed when my Meyer bloomed (is blooming) I thought the smell would fill the house as the thing is covered with blooms..  but you have to get super close and then there is just a faint smell.. 
Of the few I've smelled I'd have to say the Bloom sweet grapefruit was strongest but it was loaded with blooms..  Maybe if the Blood Orange had been as loaded with blooms it would have been stronger..  the smells were equally sweet to me though..
 just my half cent opinion..  not worth much more than that as I haven't gotten to smell many blooms yet..
 
 Gina *BabyBlue*
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		| Skeeter Moderator
 
  
 
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				| Posted: Sun 03 Dec, 2006 2:07 pm |  
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				| I love fragrant plants, --Ginger, gardenia, rose, honeysuckle, and jasmine vine are the best in my yard now, but I am looking forward to when citrus can fill my yard with their scent!
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		| snickles Citrus Guru
 
  
 
 Joined: 15 Dec 2005
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 Location: San Joaquin Valley, Ca
 
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				| Posted: Sun 03 Dec, 2006 3:21 pm |  
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				| Just to add to or confuse even more, one thing about plants
that emit a fragrance upon bloom is that there are times of
 the day that they will be more fragrant than other times of
 the day and the fragrances can change in the scent as well.
 Sometimes we can get the scent from the tree mixed up
 with the fragrance of the flowers.  Go by a Lemon Grove
 not in bloom right before sunset and early morning when
 the sun has just started to illuminate the trees sometime,
 close your eyes and tell us what you smell?  Go by the
 same Lemon Grove while in bloom and do the same thing.
 What you are sensing is not playing tricks on you, what
 you are smelling and their potency of those fragrances
 will be different.  Then it comes down to which of those
 fragrances do you prefer?
 
 Who says the fragrance for perfumes of the Bergamot
 were derived to better match the scent of the flowers?
 Take a few leaves off the tree that have been exposed
 to morning or late in the day sunlight, crush them in
 your hands, rub your fingers together and then tell us
 what you smell?  Now, you will know the oil scent given
 off by the tree naturally and you may even prefer that
 scent over the fragrance given off by the tree when in
 bloom.
 
 Just for the heck of it, open up a bottle of Lemoncella
 and take a whiff of that liquid.  Now go out and smell
 an Italian Lemon in bloom and the same Lemon not
 in bloom, do the crush test.  Which of those fragrances
 better coincides with the odor given off by the liqueur?
 
 When comparing fragrances emitted from container
 plants sometimes we have to know that a plant grown
 indoors may smell different than the same plant will
 smell like grown outdoors.  It is true that forms of
 Grapefruit grown indoors exposed to early to late
 sunlight can be rather potent in their fragrance.
 If we look closely, we will see nectar also being
 emitted and it is when we see this nectar the trees
 blossoms will seem more potent than those same
 flowers are after the nectar is no longer present.
 Is it the perfume from the flowers or from the
 nectar that is so heavenly to us?  What draws
 the bees in droves to the flowers, the perfume
 from the flowers or the nectar emitted during
 flowering that drives them wild?
 
 Our personal favorites for standing in a Grove in
 mid morning is the Washington Navel Orange.
 Our favorite being downwind from the Grove
 while in bloom in mid morning is the Orlando
 Tangelo.  Our favorite at sunset standing in
 the grove is the Blood Orange and our favorite
 downwind from a blooming Grove at sunset is
 the Eureka Lemon.  Then again we are biased
 in our opinions.  A lot of it is due to those Groves
 settings, where they were located and when we
 thought the most of them.   By the way our
 favorite grown as a container plant inside a
 home is the Ruby Red Grapefruit!  Time
 to stop now.
 
 Snickles
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		| Patty_in_wisc Citrus Angel
 
  
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				| Posted: Sun 03 Dec, 2006 10:17 pm |  
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				| I thought I just read Millet saying you will never get fruits from a container grapefruit.  You guys got fruits or just blossoms?  _________________
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		| BabyBlue11371 Site Admin
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Sun 03 Dec, 2006 10:41 pm |  
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				| Mine only bloomed..  lost the tree before the fruitlets could grow. (Size of peas before it died)
Gina *BabyBlue*
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		| AnnaLee 
 
 
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				| Posted: Sun 03 Dec, 2006 11:01 pm |  
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				| I am so glad you've mentioned Sanguinelli blood orange, as I do have my eyes on one for my next container plant.  The fruit is pretty unforgettable, too.  Had my first taste last winter when I picked up a couple unknowingly from a bin marked "Florida oranges" at the grocery.  Almost like an extremely sweet ruby red grapefruit.  I think they were seedless, tho.  Can't wait to have them again.
 I forgot to tell everyone about the fragrance of a varigated pink lemon we were fortunate enough to sniff this past summer at a fruit stand near St Augustine Beach, FL.  The plant was in a 1gal pot, with very pretty green and white leaves.  There were about a handful blossoms, but the fragrance was heavenly.  Buried our noses in the poor thing.  Blossoms not as pretty, and fragrance not as nice as the ruby red grapefruit we had, but not too shabby, either.  I am still kicking myself for not grabbing a couple of plants to bring home.
 
 Thank you all for your input and words of wisdom.
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		| snickles Citrus Guru
 
  
 
 Joined: 15 Dec 2005
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 Location: San Joaquin Valley, Ca
 
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				| Posted: Mon 04 Dec, 2006 3:19 pm |  
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				| It is not uncommon for Grapefruit not to set
flower buds while being grown indoors all the
 time.  Some trees can set out some flowers buds
 on their own without any added help and some
 trees may not ever set flower buds while being
 grown indoors, no matter what we do for them.
 We believe  Mr.Shep in the UBC BG Citrus forum
 has mentioned in a couple of threads that sometimes
 we may have to force these indoor growing trees
 to set flower buds.  We also think he was referring
 more about trees grown as seedlings from seed.
 To better get these trees to set flower buds that
 have not shown a propensity or desire to produce
 flowers indoors, we can place them outdoors at
 an appropriate time among other Citrus and let
 other Citrus and bees help these trees set some
 flower buds for us if flowers are what we want.
 We can then bring the trees back indoors as the
 flowers are forming if we choose or we can bring
 the trees back indoors when we know we have
 some fruit set on the tree.   We have done this
 same approach for friends and other people with
 some stubborn trees they have or after years of
 having their trees wanted them to set flowers.
 
 One of us has done it for indoor, grown inside a
 home, Avocados grown from seed as ornamental
 plants living in a home for a number of years and
 Citrus as well, among the Citrus have been Grapefruit.
 We will say that a grafted or budded Grapefruit
 grown indoors does not take as long as a seedling
 Grapefruit will take to set flower buds, either on
 its own or forced to set buds outdoors.  Some
 Grapefruit trees raised from seed grown indoors
 may take many more years than a grafted form
 will to set flower buds on its own, usually double
 the length of time on average and we can figure
 longer in some cases, depending on the trees
 culture or not at all in other cases.
 
 There are examples as we recall of a couple of
 seedling grown Grapefruit referenced in the
 UBC BG Citrus forum that have bloomed for
 people growing their trees indoors all of the
 time due to overly cold temperature limitations
 where they are located.  A person living in Nova
 Scotia or Ontario Canada is not going to leave
 these trees outdoors all the time if they want to
 have Citrus, they may have to bring these trees
 indoors for a good portion of the year.  Others
 in those same locations will simply grow these
 trees indoors in their homes year round.
 
 For a tree that has not flowered at all grown from
 seed, then we have to trigger it to force it to set
 flower buds.   As far as Grapefruit grown in a
 container cannot set fruit, we know this is not
 the case for trees that one of us here at Snickles
 has grown outdoors in containers.  He has had
 them produce fruit for him at his location before
 he ever planted them into the ground later.  He
 has purchased Grapefruit trees in containers that
 already had fruit on them.  Where two of us are
 located in contrast we have no Grapefruit that
 we are growing here.
 
 Grown in a greenhouse or grown indoors, even
 some grafted varietal forms of Grapefruit grown
 on as container plants may not ever fruit for us.
 The Grapefruits are the toughest we know of
 as a group to grow indoors both in a home and
 in a greenhouse and get fruit set.  Most of the
 time without some triggering it just does not
 happen from what weve seen from others trees,
 hearing or reading of other accounts of their
 trees in those indoor growing environments.
 
 Snickles
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