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SonomaCitrus Citruholic
Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 65 Location: Santa Rosa, CA
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Posted: Tue 14 Apr, 2009 6:05 pm |
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Is Calcinit Ag Grade by Yara http://www.yara.us/en/products/product_range/nitrogen_fertilizers/ca_ag_grade.html a suitable form of calcium nitrate for use in cation exchange when preparing CHC's? This is the water soluble form. Will the ammonium nitrate be a problem for this purpose, assuming of course I am not potting up seedlings? My high school level of chemistry proficiency has faded into the distant past; however, I hope I got it right.
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Tue 14 Apr, 2009 6:19 pm |
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Calcinit Ag Grade, will work just fine. If you purchased your CHC from The Crystal Co. they have already rinsed and squeezed the chips three times. For citrus all you will need to do, is the Cation exchange, with the Calcinit and Epsom Salts. Lastly, I never rinse the CHC again after the Cation exchange with the Epsom salts & Calcium nitrate, but just go ahead and make my medium blend and transplant the tree. - Millet (1,376-) |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Tue 14 Apr, 2009 6:24 pm |
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Millet,
What concentration do you use, like how many ppm MgSO4 and CalciNit? I don't plan to rinse the chips either if I can get away with it by using a more diluted solution. Usually, for CEx, stronger solution is prepared, that is why the need to rinse afterwards.
Thanks,
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Tue 14 Apr, 2009 7:59 pm |
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Joe, I do the chips in a 55-gallon drum, I add 3 ounces of both MgSO4, and Ca(NO3)2. - Millet (1,376-) |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Tue 14 Apr, 2009 10:14 pm |
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Thanks! Thats about 408.5 ppm of MgSO4 hydrated salt and 408.5 ppm of Calcium Nitrate crystals.
The real ppm without the hydrated crystals could be lower. |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Tue 14 Apr, 2009 11:15 pm |
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I have read somewhere, (don't recall where) that a slightly higher ppm nutrient rate needs be used when a new CHC medium is first being used. Wish I could find the article where I read it. Therefore, I apply nutrients at 300 ppm N on a new CHC medium. - Millet (1,376-) |
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bastrees Citruholic
Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 232 Location: Southeastern PA
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Posted: Tue 23 Feb, 2010 12:52 pm |
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Millet, do you ever replenish the calcium component in your CHC plantings through the use of lime, gypsum or occasional calcium nitrate treatments in between repottings? If so, which is the best approach for city water and for well water sources? Barbara |
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Mark_T Citruholic
Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 757 Location: Gilbert,AZ
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Posted: Tue 23 Feb, 2010 4:48 pm |
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Why do you have to soak the CHC with Mg and Calcium? Does this practice set the medium to a nutural PH or something? |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Tue 23 Feb, 2010 4:56 pm |
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reversethong wrote: | Why do you have to soak the CHC with Mg and Calcium? Does this practice set the medium to a nutural PP or something? |
The CHC are naturally high in Sodium (Natrium or Na). We use cation exchange technique to dislodge the Na and exchange them with another cation that the plants find more useful, such as Mg++ or Ca++
Fortunately, the cation exchange can be done by simply soaking the CHC in a solution with higher concentration of the desirable cations compared to the sodium. It is the same principle as most salt-based water softener do, but in reverse, they use sodium to dislodge the mineral cation impurities from your hard water.
For the record, sodium, in the form of salt is truly beneficial to the coconuts, so they absorb a lot of it, and it ends up in the CHC. No wonder why you find many coconuts by the tropical beaches. You can find them inland in the tropics, and when salt is used a supplement to other fertilizers, it can increase the yield of coconuts by a lot more compared to just fertilizer alone. This fact was first discovered by Filipino Scientists and up to now, many scientists and researchers in Florida are finding hard to believe this. They remained skeptic, although that is changing now after several bold remarks. |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Wed 24 Feb, 2010 8:25 pm |
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Babara, no I do not add any extra calcium. My well water contains plenty of calcium, to take care of the trees needs. I do not know about water supplies in Eastern United States, but most all water in the west contains dissolved calcium. - Millet (1,057-) |
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bastrees Citruholic
Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 232 Location: Southeastern PA
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Posted: Thu 25 Feb, 2010 2:56 pm |
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Thank you, Millet. We sit on a fair amount of limestone (limestone quarries within a few miles of our town), so I know that we should have a good amount in our groundwater, too. Our borough water is supplied by a combination of well and spring water, so I guess I should be okay. The last analysis supplied did not indicate actual numbers, just that it was within drinking water standards.
I wonder if it would hurt to give them an occasional dose of Ca(NO3)2, since I have it. Maybe in combination with epsom salt, dissolving both in water when I give them epsom salt. Any thoughts on that? Barbara |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Thu 25 Feb, 2010 6:18 pm |
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If you grow tomatoes, tomato plants love Calcium Nitrate. Fertilizing tomatoes with Calcium Nitrate, eliminates blossom end rot. Applying a little Calcium Nitrate would be fine for your trees. - Millet (1,055-) |
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bastrees Citruholic
Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 232 Location: Southeastern PA
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Posted: Thu 25 Feb, 2010 9:47 pm |
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Thank you, Millet. I love tomatoes, and plant many every year. I did not know they responded so well to Calcium Nitrate. We had a lot of blossom end rot this year in our area, it was quite frustrating. I look forward to giving that a try this summer. Barbara |
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C4F Citruholic
Joined: 12 Feb 2010 Posts: 139 Location: San Joaquin Valley, CA
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Posted: Sun 11 Apr, 2010 6:02 am |
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Quote: | Applying a little Calcium Nitrate would be fine for your trees. - Millet (1,055-) |
Was Millet referring to citrus trees? |
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bastrees Citruholic
Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 232 Location: Southeastern PA
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Posted: Sun 11 Apr, 2010 5:50 pm |
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Yes. His answer was in response to this:
Quote: | I wonder if it would hurt to give them an occasional dose of Ca(NO3)2, since I have it. Maybe in combination with epsom salt, dissolving both in water when I give them epsom salt. Any thoughts on that? |
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