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Darkman
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Posted: Sat 20 Nov, 2010 1:08 am

As many of you are aware I am planning a planting of Citrus. I am looking for a spread of maturity dates to keep the harvest going. After a lot of research, reading and posting I have arrived at this Satsuma list arraigned from earliest to latest. I live in Pensacola Fl and I'm sure you will notice that some of the varieties that I selected may not be available in FL. Unfortunately it appears that a lot of the ones I want may not be available here. I asking that you suggest replacements for the unavailable ones. The replacements should mature during the same time frame and be available in Florida. All of these have good taste. Some have some drawbacks but when you are going for early fruit you have to accept some compromises.

Early St. Ann..............................late Aug - Oct
Louisiana Early..........................late Aug - Oct
DELETED Nov. 22, 2010 read a LSU report Armstrong Early.........................mid Sep - Oct
Xie Shan....................................mid Sep - Nov
Kimbrough.................................Oct – Nov.........Many say same as Owari
Silver Hill....................................Oct - Nov
Brown Select.............................mid Oct – mid Dec
Owari........................................early Nov – mid Jan

I stopped at Owari since here the early freezes would probably stop any later maturing ones. If however you have later ones you feel I should try, please let me know. Please ask any questions that may help you reach a decision on my list.

I have also come to realize that there seems to be some differences in opinion as to what is a Satsuma and what is a tangerine or even a Sweet Orange. So I have included the other varieties that I hope to grow. Many of these are hybrids and that is I guess why some seem to be categorized differently depending on where you are looking. I tried to group them in to their categories but quite a few seem to overlap categories. I may have left some out. Your thoughts on this are greatly appreciated especially those with Zone 8b and North Florida/Gulf Coast experience. I will be growing a improved Meyer lemon and some kumquats too.

Clementine
Page
Sunburst
Dancy
Ponkon

Hamlin
Ambersweet

Moro
Cara Cara

Orlando
Minneola
Nova

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Chris
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Posted: Sat 20 Nov, 2010 10:44 pm

I would add Gold Nugget mandarin based on taste alone. I don't know anything about your area.
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Darkman
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Posted: Sat 20 Nov, 2010 11:36 pm

Chris wrote:
I would add Gold Nugget mandarin based on taste alone. I don't know anything about your area.


It is a very late maturing variety and would not fruit in our winters.

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mrtexas
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Posted: Sun 21 Nov, 2010 12:20 am

I have a very similar climate to you.
The minneola is very late, end of January. I'm growing it but will depend on orlando tangelo which is earlier.

I have page, clementine, moro, cara cara and nova. All are before christmas.

As to satsumas, I've found armstrong early to be really early, the rest, about the same time, usually Thanksgiving.

The rest includes: frost owari, miho, seto, dobashi bene, brown select, big early, early st ann
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Darkman
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Posted: Sun 21 Nov, 2010 2:04 am

mrtexas wrote:
I have a very similar climate to you.
The minneola is very late, end of January. I'm growing it but will depend on orlando tangelo which is earlier.


In the end Minneola may not make the cut.

mrtexas wrote:
I have a very similar climate to you.
I have page, clementine, moro, cara cara and nova. All are before christmas.


That's excellent. Most years I should get a harvest.

mrtexas wrote:
I have a very similar climate to you.
As to satsumas, I've found armstrong early to be really early, the rest, about the same time, usually Thanksgiving.


I haven't found Armstrong avaliable in Florida yet. I'm really hoping to find one. Surprisingly I'm not finding any early season Satumas in Florida and I don't know why.

mrtexas wrote:
I have a very similar climate to you.
The rest includes: frost owari, miho, seto, dobashi bene, brown select, big early, early st ann


Except for Brown Select I am not finding any of these in Florida.

Thanks for your comments.

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firebirdbandit



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Location: Tallahassee, FL [Zone 8B]

Posted: Mon 22 Nov, 2010 12:09 pm

After a recent trip to Just Fruits and Exotics I tried a Robinson Tangerine and its taste was excellent. I liked it better than the Owari which I also like. The Robinson is one of the earilest Tangerines and according to Just Fruits and Exotics one of the best to grow in this area.
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Posted: Tue 23 Nov, 2010 2:50 am

firebirdbandit wrote:
After a recent trip to Just Fruits and Exotics I tried a Robinson Tangerine and its taste was excellent. I liked it better than the Owari which I also like. The Robinson is one of the earilest Tangerines and according to Just Fruits and Exotics one of the best to grow in this area.


Yes but Robinson has fallen from grace due to these reasons given by UFL.

1.Robinson needs pollinator to assure good yields and large fruit size. Pollinators will make some near seedless citrus seedy.

2.Limb breakage occurs with heavy crops

3.Limb and twig dieback for unknown reasons

4.Fruit subject to problems splitting other varieties have this too

Others I have picked have similiar problems but this one seemed to have all of them.

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santosh



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Location: austria - zone 7b (citrus inground in greenhouse)

Posted: Tue 23 Nov, 2010 4:50 pm

hello,

maybe the following classification helps you, it is from the site www.exotickerostliny.cz/en
plant catalogue -> citruses -> Mandarina unshiu-Citrus unshiu
there are also descriptions and photos on the site.

Goku Wase late August to late September
'Hashimoto'
'Kartuli Saadreo'
'Planělina'
'Wakayama'

Wase early October until the late November
'Ayky'
'Haraguchi'
'Chahara'
'Ichimaru'
'Iseki'
'Kawano wase'
'Mičurinec'
'Miho'
'Miyagawa'
'Miyagawa nucelare'
'Miyagawa 00'
'Miyagawa 00 variegata'
'Nagahashi'
'Okitsu'
'Satsuma SRA12'
'Silverhil'
'Slava Vavilova'
'Sočinská 23'
'Tomono'
'Turecká červená'
'Zorana'

Owari late November to late January
'Aoshima'
'Matsuyama'
'Oijva'
'Otsu'
'Owari Unshiu'
'Saigon SRA 29'

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Darkman
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Posted: Wed 24 Nov, 2010 10:55 am

Thank you Santosh,

Two of those are available in Florida. Silverhill and Owari

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Posted: Wed 24 Nov, 2010 7:51 pm

Silverhill Satsuma is a great tree. Silverhill is a nucellar seedling selection of Owari from a cross made by W. T. Swingle of the U.S. Department of Agriculture in Florida about 1908. The variety was named and introduced about 1931. W. T. Swingle named the tree after Silverhill, Alabama, because it survived a series of disastrous freezes in that city. - Millet (781-)
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Posted: Thu 25 Nov, 2010 1:11 am

Millet wrote:
Silverhill Satsuma is a great tree. Silverhill is a nucellar seedling selection of Owari from a cross made by W. T. Swingle of the U.S. Department of Agriculture in Florida about 1908. The variety was named and introduced about 1931. W. T. Swingle named the tree after Silverhill, Alabama, because it survived a series of disastrous freezes in that city. - Millet (781-)


Silverhill is about 45 minutes west and north of me. Also nearby is Orange Beach AL and Satsuma AL. Silverhill is very near where the Univ. of Auburn has their Citrus trials. There were many citrus groves in this area but that is ancient history. After the global cooling cycle Citrus was abandoned up here. Hey if Al Gore is right maybe the Citrus industry will return. Yeah Right!

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