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Laaz
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Posted: Sat 13 Apr, 2013 9:29 pm

This is the fast flowering Trifoliata. It has flowered from the first year & stayed small compared to all my other trifoliata. This is one Ned gave me a few years back.


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buddinman
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Posted: Sun 14 Apr, 2013 1:14 am

This one looks great.
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Posted: Sun 14 Apr, 2013 4:56 am

It still have no name?
From the origin and the title of this thread why not "Ned's fast PT"?
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Posted: Sun 14 Apr, 2013 9:54 am

That would be up to Ned. Rahn's trifoliata? Very Happy

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Posted: Sun 14 Apr, 2013 11:11 am

So it flowers in one year from seed and is naturally dwarfing? Awesome!

Sounds like a good rootstock and hybrid parent.
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Posted: Sun 14 Apr, 2013 11:46 am

Yes, and Ned said all the offspring have done the same.

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Posted: Sun 14 Apr, 2013 9:13 pm

A great plant! Is there a way to get it to Europe, even to Mainz ? Razz
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Posted: Sun 14 Apr, 2013 9:40 pm

Seed when they are ready.

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Posted: Mon 15 Apr, 2013 5:58 pm

Oh, that would be great.
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Posted: Mon 15 Apr, 2013 6:00 pm

Laaz kindly sent me some seeds a year ago, to test in my slow-growing climate.
No sign of any flowers yet.
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Posted: Mon 15 Apr, 2013 6:06 pm

Is it flowering several times in the season?
A similar mutation has been isolated in 1976 in China.
http://treephys.oxfordjournals.org/content/28/10/1449.full.pdf+html

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Posted: Fri 24 May, 2013 9:41 am

I found some info related to Ilya's post above about early flowering Poncirus.

Here's an excerpt from an article on developing HLB resistant citrus that mentions the early flowering gene in the context of their research:
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Several approaches are being studied to reduce the time between generations in citrus breeding to as little as one to two years, permitting rapid introgression of traits from distant relatives into commercial citrus types. This may be critical for conventional breeding to produce high levels of HLB resistance in the next 20 years. An early flowering gene (FT) has been identified and sequenced in several plant genera, including Citrus (Endo et al., 2005). Based on studies with other woody perennials, over-expression of the FT gene should result in citrus plants that flower within a year of seed germination. An early flowering P. trifoliata has been reported in China, with enhanced expression of FT and alterations in several other flowering genes (Zhang et al., 2009), and efforts are being made to identify similar mutants at USHRL. Purely horticultural manipulations also show promise in producing citrus hybrids which flower just a few years after initial seed germination (Gmitter and Grosser, personal com.).

Could Laaz's fast Poncirus trifloiata tree have this gene? Also, I wonder if this tree could be of use to the research at the USDA/ARS in Fort Pierce, Florida? It sounds like they are (or were) looking for mutants with this trait.
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Posted: Tue 03 Sep, 2013 9:04 pm

citrange wrote:
Laaz kindly sent me some seeds a year ago, to test in my slow-growing climate.
No sign of any flowers yet.


I got grape vines to bear early (like 2nd year from seed) by generously feeding them potash the autumn before (in an attempt to build stronger roots).
Not sure if it would work with Poncirus, I don't know much about fertilizing citrus (well, nothing. I guess being a fruiting plant that you should be generous with potash and avoid too much nitrogen).
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Posted: Thu 05 Sep, 2013 4:39 am

citrange wrote:
Laaz kindly sent me some seeds a year ago, to test in my slow-growing climate.
No sign of any flowers yet.
60% of mine flowered at 1 and 1/2 year. The seedling were still small, between 5 and 20 cm. They are slow growers.
The flowers were immature, 3 or 4 petals, no or very small pistil.
I had only one bloom in the year. Hence I don't think it is the same as the Chinese one.

I think it would be worth contacting the researchers who work on early PT and HLB to tell them about this clone. I'm sure Ned would agree.
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Posted: Thu 05 Sep, 2013 6:16 am

I got one seedling from Sylavain this spring, but it was very weak to grow, developed a strange rot just above the roots and died.
Never seen this in my ponciruses, but could be due to particularly wet and cold spring this year.

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