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Stan McKenzie Citrus Guru
Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 314 Location: Scranton, SC USA
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Posted: Thu 25 Nov, 2010 8:49 pm |
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Heres a picture I took this afternoon of my citremon tree. Never been damaged by cold and has these great looking yellow leaves every fall. Really stands out on a sunny day! _________________ Y ORANGE U Growin Citrus
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Sylvain Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2007 Posts: 790 Location: Bergerac, France.
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Posted: Fri 26 Nov, 2010 6:04 am |
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I have one but it freezes to the ground every year and restarts from the ground. Just like Meyer lemon and Cleopatra.
Those three are not cold hardy like often said. |
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Stan McKenzie Citrus Guru
Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 314 Location: Scranton, SC USA
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Posted: Fri 26 Nov, 2010 10:37 am |
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Sylvain, the one I have has survived some pretty cold temperatures and Ive never seen it damaged in any way. I know we had a low of 14F last winter and it doesnt seem to bother the citremon. Does your winter cold go much lower than 14F? _________________ Y ORANGE U Growin Citrus
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Sylvain Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2007 Posts: 790 Location: Bergerac, France.
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Posted: Fri 26 Nov, 2010 7:57 pm |
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No, last year we had 16F and the year before 20F. But they all froze to ground.
Actualy I have several Citremons, several Meyers And several Cleopatras. They all come from seeds so I cannot guaranty that they are true to type.
In the same conditions Yuzu, Ichan lemons and Satsumas didn't suffer.
Indeed we don't know if the common cultivars are the same in Europe and in USA. Sometimes they have the same name and a very different history. |
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Darkman Citruholic
Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 968 Location: Pensacola Florida South of I-10 Zone 8b/9a
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Posted: Fri 26 Nov, 2010 8:47 pm |
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Stan McKenzie wrote: | Heres a picture I took this afternoon of my citremon tree. Never been damaged by cold and has these great looking yellow leaves every fall. Really stands out on a sunny day! |
Is this a deciduous citrus? Do you know if it is available in Florida? _________________ Charles in Pensacola
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Stan McKenzie Citrus Guru
Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 314 Location: Scranton, SC USA
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Posted: Mon 29 Nov, 2010 1:05 am |
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Hey Darkman, I got this one as a seed I picked up from the Citrus Arboretuem in Lakeland... I doubt its for sale anywhere in Florida. _________________ Y ORANGE U Growin Citrus
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Darkman Citruholic
Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 968 Location: Pensacola Florida South of I-10 Zone 8b/9a
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Posted: Mon 29 Nov, 2010 1:46 am |
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Stan McKenzie wrote: | Hey Darkman, I got this one as a seed I picked up from the Citrus Arboretuem in Lakeland... I doubt its for sale anywhere in Florida. |
That's the story of my life! Not available in Florida. LOL I guess I should just be glad that we have weather that is conducive to growing most citrus even if it isn't available.
How about Xie Shan? The internet history says it was delivered to Florida from China but it seems to have fallen into a central Florida sinkhole to be never seen again. _________________ Charles in Pensacola
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Stan McKenzie Citrus Guru
Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 314 Location: Scranton, SC USA
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Posted: Mon 29 Nov, 2010 10:39 am |
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I suspect the same is true of xie shan satsuma. The state of Florida in their attempts to keep diseases and pest outside their borders have in effect limited the diversity of citrus types. Xie shan is available from nurseries in California but you wont be able to get them due to rules and regs. I made the statement once that Florida laws prohibiting the importation of citrus into the state should have been exactly the opposite.. forbidding the movement of citrus (plant material) out of the state since you guys seem to have a monopoly on every deadly disease that affects citrus! That law finally came into play with the discovery of the Citrus Greening disease.. so now, nothing is supposed to go in or out of the Sunshine State. _________________ Y ORANGE U Growin Citrus
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Darkman Citruholic
Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 968 Location: Pensacola Florida South of I-10 Zone 8b/9a
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Posted: Tue 30 Nov, 2010 12:49 am |
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The limited diversity is discouraging especially since I live less than ten miles from the Western Florida line with Alabama. Apparently Florida isn't interested in a early satsuma or if they are they are keeping it a big secret. LSU as some great varieties but I've not heard of anything in the works for Florida. If anyone knows anything about early satsumas for Florida let me know. _________________ Charles in Pensacola
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Stan McKenzie Citrus Guru
Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 314 Location: Scranton, SC USA
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Posted: Tue 30 Nov, 2010 11:21 pm |
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Darkman, The Southeastern Citrus Expo, the Southern Fruit Fellowship and NAFEX are going to hold a combined meeting next fall in Florida and my understanding is that we will tour some of the research facilities that are working on cold hardy citrus. Why not plan to join us for the meeting and then you can ask some of the " Powers that Be" about getting some choices in satsuma varieties! _________________ Y ORANGE U Growin Citrus
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Tue 30 Nov, 2010 11:58 pm |
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Florida State Agricultural authorities, and commercial Citrus Growers, look at door yard trees as just another source of disease, and also another method of spreading diseases. Even if one should be able to locate an extra early maturing Citrus variety in their neighborhood, such as a Xie Shan (September maturing), and be given some bud wood, under Florida law it would still be illegal to propagate the tree. Although it is illegal to import a Citrus tree across the State line into Florida, for the home owner the chance of obtaining a disease free tree could well be best if it was grown in another state. - Millet (775-) |
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Ned Citrus Guru
Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 999 Location: Port Royal, SC (Zone 8b)
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Posted: Wed 01 Dec, 2010 12:00 am |
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One option in FL might be to grow the desired tree from seed. I think most Satsuma would come true from seed, and it has been my experience that they will fruit in 4-5 years.
I think I still have an email I received from Dr. Wayne Dixon telling what must be done to bring seed into the state. Basically you have to obtain permission, and get the supplier to agree to treat the seed with a bleach solution. I am not sure the information is still valid, but it wouldn't hurt to ask. If I still have the email, I will forwarded it to anyone that is interested. Dr. Manners may know of the process and if it is still used.
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Stan McKenzie Citrus Guru
Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 314 Location: Scranton, SC USA
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Posted: Wed 01 Dec, 2010 12:16 am |
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Seed might be an option but finding a seed in a satsuma is about like finding a pearl in an oyster... Few and far between! _________________ Y ORANGE U Growin Citrus
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Darkman Citruholic
Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 968 Location: Pensacola Florida South of I-10 Zone 8b/9a
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Posted: Wed 01 Dec, 2010 1:26 am |
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Stan McKenzie wrote: | Darkman, The Southeastern Citrus Expo, the Southern Fruit Fellowship and NAFEX are going to hold a combined meeting next fall in Florida and my understanding is that we will tour some of the research facilities that are working on cold hardy citrus. Why not plan to join us for the meeting and then you can ask some of the " Powers that Be" about getting some choices in satsuma varieties! |
Stan I would probably really enjoy that but I would be like a mutt a championship dog show. I just don't have that much knowledge.
Millet wrote: | Florida State Agricultural authorities, and commercial Citrus Growers, look at door yard trees as just another source of disease, and also another method of spreading diseases. Even if one should be able to locate an extra early maturing Citrus variety in their neighborhood, such as a Xie Shan (September maturing), and be given some bud wood, under Florida law it would still be illegal to propagate the tree. Although it is illegal to import a Citrus tree across the State line into Florida, for the home owner the chance of obtaining a disease free tree could well be best if it was grown in another state. - Millet (775-) |
I couldn't agree more and to that end I think I will try to get most of my citrus from Just Fruits and Exotics due to the fact that they seem to be further North than most nurseries and by my line of thinking possibly less exposure. I realize that all Citrus only come from a few growers but after they are potted and where they are potted is the time frame I'm looking at. One potted North of the Citrus belt may have less of an exposure risk.
And then may be I'm all wet! Who knows?
Ned wrote: | One option in FL might be to grow the desired tree from seed. I think most Satsuma would come true from seed, and it has been my experience that they will fruit in 4-5 years.
I think I still have an email I received from Dr. Wayne Dixon telling what must be done to bring seed into the state. Basically you have to obtain permission, and get the supplier to agree to treat the seed with a bleach solution. I am not sure the information is still valid, but it wouldn't hurt to ask. If I still have the email, I will forwarded it to anyone that is interested. Dr. Manners may know of the process and if it is still used.
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Ned I'll PM you my e-mail. I'd like that information even if I can't get a Xie Shan seed. It may come in handy later. Knowing Florida though it may be easier to Get Alabama to annex NW Florida. LOL _________________ Charles in Pensacola
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