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Has anyone tried any of the hardy avacados ?
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skeeter2



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Posted: Sat 17 Aug, 2013 11:06 pm

I just wanted to give you all an update on the Mrs. Holland that I got from Dr Manners and grafted on a seedling several yrs ago.

That tree is now over 15 ft tall--even after fighting with a pecan tree and several shrubs. It has produced fruit for the last 3 years--self pollinated (there is not another avocado within miles). This yr it probably had at least 2 dozen fruits. The do seem to ripen in early August--most within a few weeks.

We had a relatively mild winter last yr, but it has gone thru at least 2 winters with lows hitting 20 with no protection at all and not even minor leaf damage.

I grafted a piece of my tree onto 2 seedlings for a friend and they both took and are growing fine.

I also had 2 other varieties that Dr Manners sent me--the grafts initially took and grew the next yr. but they never grew as vigorous as Mrs Holland and have not survived long term. The Duke variety lived for a couple years--it may have not had the conditions it needed--it was in a really dry area.

I will post a few pictures later.
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Posted: Sun 18 Aug, 2013 12:03 pm

Here is a picture of one of the avocado fruits.



Here is a picture of the tree--fighting with pecan tree on the right and shrubs all around--the trunk of the avocado (in the center) leans to the left. This tree is only about 6 yrs old.

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Posted: Sun 18 Aug, 2013 6:57 pm

Welcome back. I really need to get one of these trees!

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Posted: Mon 19 Aug, 2013 11:03 am

I would be glad to send some budwood. Dr Manners originally told me Nov was the time they had best success. I tried in Nov one yr, but it appeared to me that the rootstock was already going dormant, so the next yr I asked for budwood in Oct--it worked. Last yr I grafted two for a friend in Oct---they both worked. So for our climate mid Oct seems to be good. Our first frost is usually mid to late Nov.
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Posted: Mon 19 Aug, 2013 8:37 pm

Laaz might need it a little earlier. I would think he gets a frost near the beginning of November.

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Posted: Tue 20 Aug, 2013 12:19 am

Does anyone know the harvest season for these varieties, and particularly for Gainesville? Several - Joey, Fantastic, Lila - seem to ripen Aug.-Oct., but I'm hoping that Gainesville might provide an extended harvest.
Thanks.
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Posted: Tue 20 Aug, 2013 1:28 am

I don't have anything to graft it to.

No we don't usually get a frost here until late Dec.

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Posted: Tue 20 Aug, 2013 10:21 am

Plant an avocado seed now, it will be ready to graft by next fall. I just plant the seed directly in a pot.

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Posted: Tue 20 Aug, 2013 12:36 pm

OK, after reading up more on these where can I buy a Mrs. Holland avocado tree?

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Posted: Tue 20 Aug, 2013 2:24 pm

From what I could decipher Mrs Holland = Opal(TM) = Lila. I think I got mine from Chestnut Hill Tree Farm but it looks like they don't ship them anymore. Plant-O-Gram has them listed as available. You can try also rooting a cutting(s) from Skeeter. Avocados are not easy to root but I know it can be done.
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Posted: Tue 20 Aug, 2013 4:38 pm

Thanks G.

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Posted: Tue 20 Aug, 2013 11:09 pm

Laaz wrote:
OK, after reading up more on these where can I buy a Mrs. Holland avocado tree?


I guess the answer to that is nowhere right now. The Mrs. Holland is not a commercially recognized nor propagated Avocado.

IT MAY be the same as Opal.

This is what is known for sure. Dr. Manners acquired scion wood believing that it was taken from a tree in Dallas. Too much time has passed and that information cannot be verified anymore. He propagated it, passed it to Skeet and he has propagated at least two trees. It will be three when we graft to my seedling this October. Skeet's trees have seen 19F at least once and suffered no damage.

I think your best bet is to graft to a 10 - 12 inch seedling early this October/November. After the graft takes and it grows a bit plant it deep with the graft 4 - 5 inches below grade. If your soil doesn't drain well plant it on a sandy mound about a foot tall and four feet wide. This will insure that you never loose the tree should the top die from an unforseen Artic freeze. Give it Winter protection till it has a three inch caliper trunk and then it should be good to go accept for the most severe cold snaps.

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Posted: Wed 21 Aug, 2013 11:02 am

What type are you using as rootstock?

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Posted: Wed 21 Aug, 2013 4:36 pm

Laaz wrote:
What type are you using as rootstock?


My rootstock is a seedling from Skeet's Mrs. Holland tree.

BUT it really isn't too important and here is why.

Unless you live in an salt laden environmemnt then all seedlings are about equal as far as vigor and disease resistance. If you are grafting a Mexican race unto your rootstock there is an advantage to having Mexican race rootstock. University studies showed they were more compatible than using West Indies or Guatemalan stock.

As far as cold hardiness goes if you bury the graft deep then it doesn't matter what rootstock you have.

All of this is true IF your ground does not freeze.

If you were an orchard grower you probably would want one of the newer bred rootstocks that would maximize your profit potential but for the hobbiest any standard seedling should work in non salty ground.

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Posted: Fri 23 Aug, 2013 5:09 pm

So the purple / green ones will work? Just remove the flesh & bury the seed? I believe the sticker said Hass.

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