Citrus Growers Forum

JoeReal · Posted: Mon 04 May, 2009 3:14 pm

Those are some of the major words that triggers the EPA to have your product registered.

I've also asked a California EPA friend, and he told me last night that if you are selling water to be placed in a power washer and you CLAIM that you can CONTROL or KILL aphids using that water, then you should register your water as a pesticide.

Perhaps, this could be a reason why the city has heavy fines from the EPA. The coordinator of the city's community garden has recommended squirting off the aphids, thrips, mealy bugs and other insects with city water to KILL most of them, and PREVENT them from mass producing and ultimately CONTROL them, and the city hasn't registered their water as a pesticide, and hasn't applied for exemption.

So if you also recommend jet blowing the air unto the flower buds to CONTROL aphids, the air should be registered as pesticide if it is used to CONTROL aphids.

I was being sarcastic after confirming with the former California EPA regulatory enforcement officer that the regulations could be interpreted to such extremes... The city of course was not fined by the EPA for the unregistered pesticidal water, but rather due to the violation of sewage water treatments.

JoeReal · Posted: Mon 04 May, 2009 3:21 pm

Does it mean that if we take out the buds from citrus scionwood, and keep them in our tongue to PREVENT plant pathogens while we are preparing the T-cut, shall we register our saliva with the EPA as plant pathogen antimicrobial ingredient?

dauben · Posted: Mon 04 May, 2009 5:20 pm

JoeReal wrote:

Does it mean that if we take out the buds from citrus scionwood, and keep them in our tongue to PREVENT plant pathogens while we are preparing the T-cut, shall we register our saliva with the EPA as plant pathogen antimicrobial ingredient?

Joe, you're starting to sound like me. . . . That might not be a good thing. Smile

Phillip

Millet · Posted: Mon 04 May, 2009 5:23 pm

If I was a public city, I would ignore the EPA's fine. Is EPA going to put a city in jail? EPA lives on income from fining who ever they can. I believe you can incorporate some sort of insecticide into a product to control insects, but make no claim what so ever of any type, and you would be EPA "safe". Talking about EPA fines, due to the extremely massive number of people and industries (and I now guess cities) that EPA is suing, or researching a "violation" in order to ascertain how large of a fine to asses, if EPA sited a "violation" today, it presently is taking 13 to 15 months before EPA can even get back to today's cases. - Millet (1,356-)

dauben · Posted: Mon 04 May, 2009 5:41 pm

Millet wrote:

If I was a public city, I would ignore the EPA's fine. Is EPA going to put a city in jail? EPA lives on income from fining who ever they can. I believe you can incorporate some sort of insecticide into a product to control insects, but make no claim what so ever of any type, and you would be EPA "safe". Talking about EPA fines, due to the extremely massive number of people and industries (and I now guess cities) that EPA is suing, or researching a "violation" in order to ascertain how large of a fine to asses, if EPA sited a "violation" today, it presently is taking 13 to 15 months before EPA can even get back to today's cases. - Millet (1,356-)

The problem is that the public city is run by politicians who want to get re-elected. Any negative news what-so-ever puts re-election hopes in jeopardy. It's much easier for a governing body to pay tax payer money because that won't hit the media. A law suit would.

Phillip

futura · Joined: 25 Jan 2009 Posts: 8 Location: Victoria, BC, Canada

The EPA has been gutted of its capacity to do its job by falling victim to the partisan political battles that are infecting the American scientific communities.
I wish luck to your country and to your eco-system.

Millet · Posted: Wed 16 Sep, 2009 12:20 am

futura wrote....."The EPA has been gutted "-----Certainly Don't think so. - Millet (1,219-)

dauben · Posted: Wed 16 Sep, 2009 2:44 am

Millet wrote:

futura wrote....."The EPA has been gutted "-----Certainly Don't think so. - Millet (1,219-)

If you think the EPA is bad you should get a load of the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA). They kill more trees each year in publishing EIRs for various projects than they would ever save through their ridiculous environmental laws that have been passed. If you think the 1000 page ObamaCare plan is bad, I have EIRs on my desk at work that make the ObamaCare documentation look like a pamphlet published by Papa Smurf.

I just shake my head in disgust at the public's stupidity. We've become The Planet of the Apes, but the only difference is that you can reason with an ape. There's no reasoning with environmentalists.

Phillip

Millet · Posted: Wed 16 Sep, 2009 2:13 pm

Both are run, and managed by government employees. Name me just one large program of the government's that was ever successful. (Besides Clinton's cigar preservation program). - Millet (1,220 days to go-)

dauben · Posted: Wed 16 Sep, 2009 5:47 pm

Millet wrote:

Both are run, and managed by government employees. Name me just one large program of the government's that was ever successful. (Besides Clinton's cigar preservation program). - Millet (1,220 days to go-)

Yes, but government employees aren't the ones creating the rules that have to be followed. My job is governed by our Legislative Code. Being a government employee myself, I would be breaking the law if I didn't follow Code. If you are successful in changing the Code (law), you would see government employees following the change in rules. The problem is that he laws being enacted are by the people the citizens put in office.

Phillip

futura · Joined: 25 Jan 2009 Posts: 8 Location: Victoria, BC, Canada

Comments like 'there is no reasoning with environmentalists", and odd partisan references to your current Healthcare debate and President Clinton's misadventures do nothing to invite an informed discussion on this thread.

Sadly, this seems to be representative of the ongoing tone of debate in your country of which I will not participate.

I will limit my exchange on this forum to matters citrus.

Good luck America.